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John-James
post Jun 20 2018, 09:11 PM
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https://twitter.com/leethommo/status/1009338416557850624

Is this man a reliable source?
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:22 PM
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YouTube Music streams I’m guessing - which should definitely count towards the charts.
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:22 PM
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The prospect of this fills me with such untold levels of dread.
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:23 PM
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Yeah, he's well known in the music industry, used to come up with a lot of scoops in Record of the Day magazine. He'll have heard it from somewhere (rather than just trolling). July 1st is a Sunday though so he might have the date wrong.
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Jun 20 2018, 10:22 PM) *
YouTube Music streams I’m guessing - which should definitely count towards the charts.


That would be a given though. Guess he means video streams.
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:48 PM
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Well this was inevitable really. The Chart is a dynamic, ever-changing animal now.
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post Jun 20 2018, 09:56 PM
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He must have heard that about "YouTube" counting towards the charts before they announced the launch of YouTube Music so he must have misinterpreted that. If YouTube video views were going to count then the OCC would have released a press release well in advance. I'm pretty sure the OCC wouldn't count YouTube video views towards the charts anyway as it's not always someone listening to music (just think how long Gangnam Style would have been #1 if it did laugh.gif )

There is a reason that being a #1 in the UK has always been a big deal compared to other places and that's because the OCC didn't do stupid things like count airplay or YouTube views which don't necessarily represent whether people actually like a particular song like things like the Billboard charts have done.
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post Jun 20 2018, 11:05 PM
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It's linked to the launch of YouTube Music, a subscription service, which is a YT streaming service akin to Spotify and Apple Music. Normal YT video streams won't be included. Shame though, as my watching of Newcastle United videos would be interesting if they were to chart due to the same background music being used!

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post Jun 21 2018, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE(Grandwicky @ Jun 21 2018, 05:56 AM) *
He must have heard that about "YouTube" counting towards the charts before they announced the launch of YouTube Music so he must have misinterpreted that. If YouTube video views were going to count then the OCC would have released a press release well in advance. I'm pretty sure the OCC wouldn't count YouTube video views towards the charts anyway as it's not always someone listening to music (just think how long Gangnam Style would have been #1 if it did laugh.gif )

There is a reason that being a #1 in the UK has always been a big deal compared to other places and that's because the OCC didn't do stupid things like count airplay or YouTube views which don't necessarily represent whether people actually like a particular song like things like the Billboard charts have done.


But some people do use YouTube has a primary source of listening to music. Also as far as I can tell YouTube Music is just the Music tab in YouTube expanded and organised a lot. Most of the music you listen to is music videos it's just a lot cleaner than the actual YouTube app. I don't think only counting streams from this app should count towards the chart yet streaming directly from YouTube doesn't - even if its the same video. If you listen to Gangnam Style in YT Music, its the exact same thing as listening to it on regular old YT.

This also brings back the whole thing about a "single package" including the music video. Often times a music video can make you change your opinion on a song, so why shouldn't it count towards the chart? It's still the song it just has bonus visuals and sometimes extra bits thrown in.

The OCC is almost as inconsistent as ARIA


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post Jun 21 2018, 02:24 AM
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oh no
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post Jun 21 2018, 05:17 AM
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why you started a new thread? therre was already one

YT views are not being counted from july

the news is that YT are launching a new streaming service like spotify or deezer, as explained in the old thread
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post Jun 21 2018, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(Bjork @ Jun 21 2018, 06:17 AM) *
the news is that YT are launching a new streaming service like spotify or deezer, as explained in the old thread
but their streaming service is primarily video streaming, no?
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post Jun 21 2018, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jun 21 2018, 09:11 AM) *
but their streaming service is primarily video streaming, no?

From what I saw (I was on the app the other day and it directed me to a link to download YouTube Music) it is an audio streaming thing - and costs £12.99(!!!) per month.

It did seem to have an interesting function where it would find the song you want to listen to if you type out lyrics or explain the song though (not sure how that would work, sounds very smart)...
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post Jun 21 2018, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Juranamo @ Jun 21 2018, 08:02 PM) *
From what I saw (I was on the app the other day and it directed me to a link to download YouTube Music) it is an audio streaming thing - and costs £12.99(!!!) per month.

It did seem to have an interesting function where it would find the song you want to listen to if you type out lyrics or explain the song though (not sure how that would work, sounds very smart)...


It’s still just video streaming though. Only it’s limited to music Youtube videos. All the songs available are already available on the regular Youtube (and I mean all, not just MVs). It’s just the same as YouTube Red

That said I do like the whole “what is this song” mechanic. It looks as if you can type “bLLOOody sHooOes” and be directed to Bodak Yellow which is a cool idea - even if it is just skipping the part where you Google the lyrics and find the song that way
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post Jun 21 2018, 12:11 PM
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Least this way we'll get 'Dame Tu Cosita' in the top 10!!!11
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post Jun 21 2018, 01:06 PM
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I'd totally get behind YT streams in the chart if it gave El Chombo another official top 100 hit *_*

alas, 'Dame tu Cosita' is only at #71 in the YouTube chart so it would be unlikely.
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post Jun 21 2018, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Juranamo @ Jun 21 2018, 01:02 PM) *
It did seem to have an interesting function where it would find the song you want to listen to if you type out lyrics or explain the song though (not sure how that would work, sounds very smart)...


Youtube has already been doing this for years. Definitely since 2014. There was a song called Rich Gang - Lifestyle, which a lot of people found funny because half of it was complete gibberish (and this was back when "mumble rap" wasn't so common yet). Then people found out that if you typed "Song that makes no sense" or "Song that sounds like gibberish" into Youtube then Rich Gang - Lifestyle would be the first result. So Youtube has definitely been doing this since 2014.

Type in things like:

'Is all it takes' - Gives you One Kiss
'Square root of 69' - Gives you What's My Name?
'Song that samples Lauryn Hill' - Gives you Nice For What
'Annoying amphibian' - Gives you Axel F
'Spanish song' - Gives you Despacito
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post Jun 21 2018, 01:40 PM
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Oh wow, it's true - if you type 'mediocre overrated generic eurovision flop' you get Fuego by Eleni Foureira.
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post Jun 21 2018, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 21 2018, 02:40 PM) *
Oh wow, it's true - if you type 'mediocre overrated generic eurovision flop' you get Fuego by Eleni Foureira.


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post Jun 21 2018, 01:52 PM
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Also if you knew the lyrics you could Google it and it'd come on that's not really that special or worth paying more than Spotify for tbh laugh.gif
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