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post Apr 20 2020, 10:52 PM
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'Forever'
6th November 2000

1. Holler
2. Tell Me Why
3. Let Love Lead the Way
4. Right Back at Ya
5. Get Down with Me
6. Wasting My Time
7. Weekend Love
8. Time Goes By
9. If You Wanna Have Some Fun
10. Oxygen
11. Goodbye


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A discussion thread for us to reminisce about the Spice Girls' third and final album 'Forever'!

Chat about everything to do with the 'Forever' era - the singles, album tracks, music videos, performances, B Sides etc! Feel free to post your own reviews / ranks. cheer.gif
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post Apr 21 2020, 04:05 AM
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Ultimately, I think they were probably right to strike out in another direction with new collaborators. I really like their unreleased pop version of Right Back At Ya...but after Mel C's Goin Down...and Victoria's Out of Your Mind...would it not have been odd that the group didn't evolve and grow like the individual members had? They weren't a nostalgia group yet. They still had the opportunity for reinvention.

Darkchild and Jam & Lewis were a good start...but I think they should have brought in another one or two fresh collaborators. Rick Nowels may have been a prime choice at the time...as he did awesome stuff with Mel C (and Geri later).

They initially had the right idea in having three Darkchild songs. Holler needed to happen. But he ended up with too much control. One of the main appeals of the group for me was seeing what genres they could explore. Darkchild made things too samey. Someone like Nowels could have given us a true rock Spice Girls track...and maybe some other dancey, guitary pop with a more mature edge than what they'd done before.

Anyway. That was longwinded, but I still do like the album we got. It's better than a lot of the big hit albums of that year...and I actually think Darkchild's work on Forever towers over the stuff he did for Michael Jackson and Britney around the same era. And I think Holler/Let Love Lead the Way, Tell Me Why, If You Wanna Have Some Fun, and Oxygen would have made an excellent singles run. (I realize that last one's divisive...but...whatever. I've always thought it was gorgeous)

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post Apr 21 2020, 01:46 PM
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Aaah the black sheep of the Spice Girls albums laugh.gif

So I do like the album, and I have certainly grown to appreciate it much more over time. I also think moving away into a new musical style was the right for them too. However I agree with the statement above they should have had a range of collaborators on the album it is just too samey as a body of work and doesn't have that magical spark the first two albums have... and I think that is because they first 2 albums are much more varied, pop and rnb (as well as motown, jazz, latin etc).

I really wish the girls had collaborated with William Orbit, can you imagine if they came back with Pure Shores and Black Coffee instead of All Saints. wub.gif I also think Rick Nowells would have been great to infuse that rockier sound which they explored on Pain Proof which even in demo form is excellent. Holler was and still remains incredible and Let love lead the way is a stunning song, that build up the music wow. I think something like (this is fantasy obviously lol):
1. Pure shores
2. Holler
3. Let love lead the way
4. Right back at ya (pop version)
5. Pain proof
6. Black coffee
7. If you wanna have some fun (seriously edited shorter)
8. Get down with me
9. All hooked up
10. Oxygen or Time goes by or another rockier finish song

Would have been much better. It's more varied with electronic, pop, rnb, rock styles infused throughout, and get rid of Goodbye that is a Spiceworld style track (should be on the Spiceworld re-release that should have happened). Obviously a few extra tracks could be included I just stuck to a 10 album format as that tends to work for them short and sweet leave you wanting more etc.

As it stands as an album itself there could have been alot more shelf life out of the actual album. I mean IYWHSF would have been a great single post H/LLLTW. It's a bit more poppy and would pull in the more Pop loving Spice Girls fans, then possibly a double a-side of something like Time goes by / Get down with me could have given them another top 5 hit surely. They would have also helped the album to keep selling and possibly pushed it closer to double platinum rather just the platinum status it achieved.

Ultimately the girls have nobody to blame but themselves for the failure of the album as it had a decent enough start they just didn't maintain to ensure it continued to be successful. I mean if Geri and Melanie C could end up with double platinum and triple platinum albums with their opening sales Forever could easily have achieved it with proper promotion.

Don't even get me started on the USA rolleyes.gif

Finally - THAT cover, words can't even... I mean... no... I can't... ewwww... what...were....they....thinking???


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post Apr 21 2020, 06:51 PM
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Underrated by many

Itís still a great album without a bad song.

It just needed one more smash like holler tho. I donít think another single release would have topped the charts. Prefer the album version of TMW compared to the remix . TMW should have been the next single tho .
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post Apr 21 2020, 06:56 PM
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Definitely a step down from the previous albums but I love 'If You Wanna Have Some Fun' and 'Oxygen' heart.gif
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post Apr 21 2020, 08:50 PM
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My 'Forever' ranking =

01. Goodbye = 10/10
02. Holler = 10/10
03. If You Wanna Have Some Fun = 9/10
04. Oxygen = 9/10
05. Let Love Lead the Way = 8/10
06. Right Back at Ya = 8/10
07. Tell Me Why = 7/10
08. Weekend Love = 7/10
09. Time Goes By = 7/10
10. Get Down with Me = 6/10
11. Wasting My Time = 5/10


7.818 (Ranking)


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post Apr 21 2020, 09:16 PM
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Oxygen has always been in my top 3 of Forever.

Its a very beautiful song.
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I love this album, it's a great R&B record that given the right attention could have sold much more and get more credit nowadays. I agree that it was too drastic a departure from their previous sound and image perhaps, but alas it's still a great record.

I wish it would have gone something like:

- They release Goodbye in 1998 for Christmas alongside a delux edition of Spiceworld

- Spring 2000, they release Holler after the song is premiered at the Brits.

- For Holler's video and overall performances, they ditch the leather look and continue with the colourfull looks and styling they still had around then (like the Brits type of costumes) apart from Victoria who has long hair again. The video is the same, but with different (better) clothes and styling.

- They then go a few months without releasing anything, but instead go on summer festivals tour around Europe, Canada and USA and a couple in Central and South America

- Release Right Back At Ya (pop version) in October with a fun but more mature type of look, and various performances in TV chat shows, huge promo, etc

- Forever Spice (album) is released in November with the album being a mix of pop and R&B songs from the Matt/Biff sessions and the best tracks from the Darkchill/American sessions too. Something like this:

1. Right Back At Ya (pop version)
2. Holler
3. Let Love Lead The Way
4. Tell Me Why
5. W.O.M.A.N.
6. Wasting My Time
7. A Day In Your Life
8. Weekend Love
9. If You Wanna Have Some Fun
10. Get Down With Me
11. Oxygen
12. Pain Proof

- Release W.O.M.A.N. in February/March 2001 with Right Back At Ya (rnb version) as a bside

- Go on a Forever Spice Stadium tour across UK, Europe and USA, with a few arenas in Brazil, Argentina, China and Australia

- Release If You Wanna Have Some Fun with a new single mix and video set in a club, and Let Love Lead The Way as a double A side with a similar video concept *but better executed*. Forever More Spice (delux) is released alongside the single, with new packaging and a few other tracks like Go Go Go, Treasure, Time Goes By and Too Hot as bonus tracks.

- Unofficially break up and do all the solo stuff ONLY then

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post Apr 22 2020, 09:45 AM
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^ this campaign is 🤮
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post Apr 22 2020, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(vibe @ Apr 22 2020, 09:45 AM) *
^ this campaign is 🤮


What would you have done then?
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That would have been a much more enjoyable and fulfilling era, Mr.X! wub.gif If only!
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post Apr 22 2020, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Apr 22 2020, 10:03 AM) *
That would have been a much more enjoyable and fulfilling era, Mr.X! wub.gif If only!


Agreeeeee. Even if you choose different songs as singles, I think the template screams BIG WORLDWIDE BAND, you know, like they used to be before they decided to focus too much on their solo works...

I was thinking about this the other day, and just how saturated we all were with solo projects, let alone the general public lol The fact that they didnt release anything after the Brits was WILD as there was plenty of demand still then for them as proven by the Christmas tour and Brit awards histeria (yet again!).

Mel B and Mel C's focus on solo music killed the group, and of course then Victoria and Emma also followed suit... A shame. Really wished they had focused on the group a bit more that era... A bit of touring and a couple more singles at the very least would have been great... ah well..
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post Apr 22 2020, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.X @ Apr 22 2020, 11:00 AM) *
What would you have done then?



I think he means 'sick' as in awesome? At least that's how I read it as your campaign is awesome! wub.gif

They wouldn't have over-saturated the market in 2000/2001 then too, both Geri and Melanie C would have had successful album campaigns, 2001 would have been a Spice Girls focus with Geri also releasing her second album... she might have had more success with it were there not another 3 girls releasing music at the same time too. 2002 would have been busy with Emma, Victoria and Mel B releasing but then that was bound to happen at some point...
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Spiceworld was so good that Forever was always going to be disappointing, i still think its their weakest by far of the 3 albums but it has its good points. Once released it was only half arsed promoted by them which didnt help at all. I still wish it could make platinum but i dont think it ever will unless it gets some form of anniversary re release.
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I definitely think they missed the boat by not releasing in 1999. There was still so much good will towards them and enough time for them to be missed but not overshadowed.

In my mind, I envisage a surprise debut performance at 99 VMA's. Imagine a performance a la Fifth Harmony, throwing 'Geri' off the stage. The Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) that would've occurred!

I think a campaign from September 99-March 2000 would've been a great way to go out. If they had went out on top, I suppose public perception wouldn't have been as bad and they could've returned some years down the line, but alas we'll never know.
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QUOTE(Feel_The_Fever @ Apr 22 2020, 03:50 PM) *
Spiceworld was so good that Forever was always going to be disappointing, i still think its their weakest by far of the 3 albums but it has its good points. Once released it was only half arsed promoted by them which didnt help at all. I still wish it could make platinum but i dont think it ever will unless it gets some form of anniversary re release.



Forever is certified Platinum, even if it's sales are below platinum due to shipping sales being the certifications back then.
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QUOTE(colinn @ Apr 22 2020, 06:06 PM) *
In my mind, I envisage a surprise debut performance at 99 VMA's. Imagine a performance a la Fifth Harmony, throwing 'Geri' off the stage. The Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) that would've occurred


They wouldn't have been as tacky as to do that.
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QUOTE(schizo_spice @ Apr 22 2020, 09:22 PM) *
They wouldn't have been as tacky as to do that.



Very true... would have been a proper moment though laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Spiceboy @ Apr 21 2020, 01:46 PM) *
Finally - THAT cover, words can't even... I mean... no... I can't... ewwww... what...were....they....thinking???




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