October 13, 20231 yr Excuse me? Israel has EVERY MORAL RIGHT to defend itself. Hamas & Gaza must pay for what they did. I see you're point but you need to look at what Israel is now doing. They should defend themselves but this has absolutely no care for humanity
October 13, 20231 yr I see you're point but you need to look at what Israel is now doing. They should defend themselves but this has absolutely no care for humanity Oh, please. This is war. Israel gotta do what it has gotta do. When Britain bombarded Dresden, German civilians got killed. When Ukraine fights back Russia, Russian civilians get killed. What do you expect exactly? The Hamas terrorists use civilians in Gaza as human shields. Terrorists hide in schools & hospitals. Israel has asked civilians to leave. They got enough notice.
October 13, 20231 yr Oh, please. This is war. Israel gotta do what it has gotta do. When Britain bombarded Dresden, German civilians got killed. When Ukraine fights back Russia, Russian civilians get killed. What do you expect exactly? The Hamas terrorists use civilians in Gaza as human shields. Terrorists hide in schools & hospitals. Israel has asked civilians to leave. They got enough notice. War crimes are war crimes no matter the country — they are indefensible. No, 24 hours is not enough notice and it's foolish to suggest otherwise. It's justification for their deaths when they fail to do the impossible. @1712811314299490353 A reminder, according to the EU commission, 39% of the population are under 14 years old. This rhetoric — unfortunately one you seem to share — is unhinged and genocidal.
October 13, 20231 yr Oh, please. This is war. Israel gotta do what it has gotta do. When Britain bombarded Dresden, German civilians got killed. When Ukraine fights back Russia, Russian civilians get killed. What do you expect exactly? The Hamas terrorists use civilians in Gaza as human shields. Terrorists hide in schools & hospitals. Israel has asked civilians to leave. They got enough notice. It being war is not an excuse to commit war crimes. Most of the civilians trapped in Gaza have no say in the matter. Those that manage to leave will become refugees. And now, certain UK politicians, particularly the leaders of both major parties, have gone full-throttle on supporting Israel, meaning that when Israel commits war crimes, our leaders will have effectively endorsed that bombing. I know they are doing this in part to give their support and solidarity for the Jewish population in the UK but I don't and never want to believe that the Jewish population of anywhere endorses widespread killing of an oppressed people.
October 13, 20231 yr Yes, absolutely agree. Using a nebulous concept of 'self-defence' as justification for breaking the Geneva convention is completely wrong and a slippery slope. It's also counter-productive, just as the actions of Hamas were last weekend. It will simply generate just more bad feeling, create yet more martyrs and support the murderous propaganda that Hamas spout. 9/11 was a provocation which America took the bait for. It doesn't have to be like this, the cycle can and must be broken.
October 13, 20231 yr Oh, please. This is war. Israel gotta do what it has gotta do. When Britain bombarded Dresden, German civilians got killed. When Ukraine fights back Russia, Russian civilians get killed. What do you expect exactly? The Hamas terrorists use civilians in Gaza as human shields. Terrorists hide in schools & hospitals. Israel has asked civilians to leave. They got enough notice. You are clearly blinded by one view on this argument as you never once express a single shred of remorse for innocent Palestinians. As someone who has no ties to either side, there is no denying that a huge injustice was done to the Palestinian's by the west intervening in the first place and has continued to be a huge injustice as “Israel” continue to steal more and more land from the Arabs. For a race so persecuted through history they have no issue doing the same to another. Hamas of course is a terrorist organisation, however they would not have risen to power in the way they have were it not for the abuse of power of the side of Israel. They are not innocent by any shred of the imagination in this conflict, and the blind support by the US and the U.K. continues to be disgusting. Quite frankly they have no right whatsoever to order Palestinians to leave at all never mind within 24 hours.
October 13, 20231 yr Oh, please. This is war. Israel gotta do what it has gotta do. When Britain bombarded Dresden, German civilians got killed. When Ukraine fights back Russia, Russian civilians get killed. What do you expect exactly? The Hamas terrorists use civilians in Gaza as human shields. Terrorists hide in schools & hospitals. Israel has asked civilians to leave. They got enough notice. You are coming across ignorant, ill educated, and simply idiotic. The views you are holding are simply shallow, I suggest you read up before you make statements that are quite clearly wrong. Whoever you are I would suggest any further comments like that should get you banned. Edited October 13, 20231 yr by Rough_edges
October 13, 20231 yr The whole thing is a shambles. Forcibly settling people on a land where people already lived and encouraging them to establish an ethnostate... well, it's literally what happened in Ireland already and that didn't end well.
October 13, 20231 yr This whole situation feels as big (if not bigger) than 9/11 moment, where the retributions from the victims of the terrorism attack were completely overblown and targeted the wrong victims, which lead to huge resentment and more division, terrorism and violence. Only difference is that this timescale is much much faster.
October 13, 20231 yr It being war is not an excuse to commit war crimes. Israel's response isn't a war crime. It's what every other country would do if 1400 civilians were killed in a terror attack. War crimes are kidnapping, beheading and slaughtering women, kids & elderlies and launching rockets on civilians - what Hamas did & still do.
October 13, 20231 yr You are clearly blinded by one view on this argument as you never once express a single shred of remorse for innocent Palestinians. As someone who has no ties to either side, there is no denying that a huge injustice was done to the Palestinian's by the west intervening in the first place and has continued to be a huge injustice as “Israel” continue to steal more and more land from the Arabs. For a race so persecuted through history they have no issue doing the same to another. Hamas of course is a terrorist organisation, however they would not have risen to power in the way they have were it not for the abuse of power of the side of Israel. They are not innocent by any shred of the imagination in this conflict, and the blind support by the US and the U.K. continues to be disgusting. Quite frankly they have no right whatsoever to order Palestinians to leave at all never mind within 24 hours. The fact that you refer to Israel as a thief says a lot. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Please educate yourself on the matter. Israel has no control on Gaza since 2006. Edited October 13, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 13, 20231 yr You are coming across ignorant, ill educated, and simply idiotic. The views you are holding are simply shallow, I suggest you read up before you make statements that are quite clearly wrong. Whoever you are I would suggest any further comments like that should get you banned. That's rich coming from you. Didn't you admit you don't know a lot on the subject just a few pages ago? Why are you so worked up? Because I reminded that Britain bombarded Dresden and killed thousands of German civilians? I wonder what Britain would do if 1300 civilians were murdered in a single terror attack. :rolleyes: What Douglas Murray says sums up my thoughts exactly: @1712514804902953245 @1712907577061773322 Edited October 13, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 14, 20231 yr The fact that you refer to Israel as a thief says a lot. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Please educate yourself on the matter. Israel has no control on Gaza since 2006. No control? Apart from controlling the water supply food supply and movement in and out?
October 14, 20231 yr Btw Voodoo, just FYI: Douglas Murray is a well known Islamaphobe, I wouldn't share or take anything he says seriously, he said something like 'Europe is being snuffed out by hordes of Muslim immigrants'. He's got popular from his controversial takes, but he lacks critical thought and makes very sloppy arguments IMO.
October 14, 20231 yr No control? Apart from controlling the water supply food supply and movement in and out? Would you supply food & water to your enemy? I don't think so. What's more, just to remind you, Gaza also has a border with Egypt. Btw Voodoo, just FYI: It doesn't matter what he is known for. What matters is that he is absolutely right in this case about people expecting Israel's response to be so-called "proportional". If we want to talk about "proportions", then watch this for comparison: View this post on Instagram
October 14, 20231 yr Would you supply food & water to your enemy? I don't think so. What's more, just to remind you, Gaza also has a border with Egypt. It doesn't matter what he is known for. What matters is that he is absolutely right in this case about people expecting Israel's response to be so-called "proportional". The border with Egypt is a limited border, not equipped to deal with people who mostly live in the north of the strip anyway. Israel's response should not be proportional, it should be restrained. He is saying that people are asking Israel to consider a proportional response and then laying out the evil of what that means, and then that it is of course absurd to ask Israel to execute such. But you and he seem to then be advocating for complete destruction which costs yet more lives of Palestinians and is more evil. @1711328353288892702 These painful statistics are the human cost of the conflict. Apply those comparisons your Instagram makes between Israel and the US and then apply them again to Palestine. It's just so dreadfully disappointing that Western leaders are okay with allowing this to continue and will ignore thousands of Palestinians dying to support Israel.
October 14, 20231 yr These painful statistics are the human cost of the conflict. Apply those comparisons your Instagram makes between Israel and the US and then apply them again to Palestine. It's just so dreadfully disappointing that Western leaders are okay with allowing this to continue and will ignore thousands of Palestinians dying to support Israel. Most of the Palestinians that got / get killed are Hamas terrorists. IDF doesn't seek out to kill civilians, unlike Hamas. IDF does everything it can to warn before it makes a strike. Israel's call for everyone in the northern region of Gaza to go to the southern region is a way to spare thousands of lives. But it was called "forced displacement of populations" and "ethnic cleansing". The humanitarian corridor is being impeded by Egypt, which does not want a refugee camp on its border. Egypt has not received 1% of the attacks from the Western mob. View this post on Instagram Edited October 14, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 14, 20231 yr Most of the Palestinians that got / get killed are Hamas terrorists. IDF doesn't seek out to kill civilians, unlike Hamas. IDF does everything it can to warn before it makes a strike. Israel's call for everyone in the northern region of Gaza to go to the southern region is a way to spare thousands of lives. But it was called "forced displacement of populations" and "ethnic cleansing". The humanitarian corridor is being impeded by Egypt, which does not want a refugee camp on its border. Egypt has not received 1% of the attacks from the Western mob. It’s right that the IDF are not purposely targeting civilians, but their current stance seems to be as of now, if they are in the way.. they are just casualties. As much as I support Israel in their quest for revenge and how much people are hurting, there has to be a better way? Thousands of innocent people are going to be killed and as well as the impact in the Middle East, you can clearly see tensions bubbling worldwide as well and people being asked to pick a side. Personally, I think Western leaders have probably seen something different to what is known to the public or some forms of intelligence which is allowing them to support the stance of Israel, has to be the only logical explanation.
October 14, 20231 yr As much as I support Israel in their quest for revenge... This isn't about getting a revenge. Israel's purpose is to prevent Hamas from doing it again. People in the south of Israel have been living under Hamas' threat since the IDF left the Gaza strip in 2005. How are the Israeli civilians expected to return to their houses when Hamas still launches hundreds of rockets every day? Would anyone in Britain be willing to live in a city that can be targeted by rockets and terrorists that cross the border in a quest to murder as many innocent people as possible? That is not normal. There's no other way other than stop Hamas from ruling & ruining Gaza, and that's why the Western leaders side with Israel. And if the people of Gaza can't or don't want to stop Hamas, then Israel will do it for them. This sick situation can't continue like this. View this post on Instagram Edited October 14, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 14, 20231 yr Most of the Palestinians that got / get killed are Hamas terrorists. IDF doesn't seek out to kill civilians, unlike Hamas. IDF does everything it can to warn before it makes a strike. Israel's call for everyone in the northern region of Gaza to go to the southern region is a way to spare thousands of lives. But it was called "forced displacement of populations" and "ethnic cleansing". The humanitarian corridor is being impeded by Egypt, which does not want a refugee camp on its border. Egypt has not received 1% of the attacks from the Western mob. View this post on Instagram That doesn't stack up with the casualty reports that I am seeing - the Palestinian authorities are giving death tolls in civilians, including women and children, much the same as the Israeli death tolls, although the Israeli death tolls also include soldiers. I don't think most of them are secret jihadists. Considering that the numbers from the UN include displacements in the hundreds of thousands, there is no conceivable way that they can get to the southern region in time, and the IDF knows this with the short timescales they've given. Civilians are acceptable targets, essentially. There's proper procedure to follow in these times. Evacuate surrounding parts of Israel, give time for civilians to be moved, have the IDF hold the line, do not be the aggressive party. But no, instead, they're talking about ground offensives in to what is supposedly another state - it's because Palestine has been left in this quasi-state Israel-blockaded limbo that has enabled Hamas to take root and thrive.
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