So in conclusion it’s fine to partition another state and Palestine never existed even when officially the British mandate was called Palestine and the cultural and social context of the land had developed over many centuries which pointed to it being a state of the Palestinians.

Well what is your solution for the Palestinian, non Jewish people who currently live in that area? That really is the crux of the matter, not what name the land has, no?

To just live their life without murdering Jewish people, perhaps? :unsure:

 

the cultural and social context of the land had developed over many centuries which pointed to it being a state of the Palestinians.

It has NEVER been "a state of the Palestinians". Your ignorance is shocking.

 

Watch this and educate yourself:

 

To just live their life without murdering Jewish people, perhaps? :unsure:

 

Ok so in that case you agree with the majority of the posters here then? So I don't get where this positivity for the bombing campaigns etc. comes from if you don't in fact want the end result to be a Jewish ethnostate established in that space with all Palestinians forcibly made to leave and, idk, either die or become refugees or whatever.

 

Just because that's what it comes off like you actually would prefer to happen.

To just live their life without murdering Jewish people, perhaps? :unsure:

 

which most do, the dead in Gaza have not, for the most part, killed anyone. And of course living their lives would be much easier if Israel didn't have a blockade of Gaza going on even in peacetime and didn't have settlers slowly encroaching on Palestinian territory in the West Bank. You know, if it really is going to be a two-state solution, actually treat it like 2 independent states where infringing on the ability of the other to operate is a diplomatic no-no.

 

It has NEVER been "a state of the Palestinians". Your ignorance is shocking.

 

dear god that's not what Steve said. His implication was that if this had been any other area of the world it would have gotten self-determination from European empires like countless countries in Africa and Asia and would have been called Palestine with a good population of both Jewish and Muslim people. Regardless, Gaza/West Bank is supposed to be a 'state of the Palestinians' so... what are you suggesting here? (might be that it's just the whole of the land under discussion, but within this land there is a Palestinian state, just one that needs to be recognised)

 

The head of the UN's agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) is calling for an end to the fighting in Gaza, saying it could lead to "a new generation" of violence.

 

"The present course chosen by the Israeli authorities will not bring the peace and stability that both Israelis and Palestinians want and deserve," says Philippe Lazzarini.

 

He continues: "To the contrary, it is creating a new generation of aggrieved Palestinians who are likely to continue the cycle of violence."

 

Israel's retaliatory offensive in Gaza following the Hamas attacks on 7 October which killed 1,400 people in Israel, has resulted in more than 10,800 people being killed in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

 

Lazzarini concluded his statement saying: "The carnage must simply stop".

 

So on today's events, entirely in agreement with this quote from the UN, the cycle of violence is well on its way to continuing, sadly.

 

Israel seems to have focused on hospitals for today's Hamas hideouts, and the four-hour pauses that Israel had supposedly agreed seem to being taken as more of a guideline than an actual rule, looking at today's activities. As the reports come out that hospitals are being targeted, I'm sure Voodoo will come in to interject that they're all Hamas hideouts and need to be focused on relentlessly until the single terrorist sheltering in the basement is reduced to ashes as hundreds of civilians lie dead around him, we should also focus in on a new statistic that each Israeli airstrike this conflict has caused on average 10.1 civilian deaths, a number sadly far higher than in previous conflicts, more on that here and more warnings that the number of civilian casualties is sadly likely to be an underestimate.

It’s all very sad and no surprise that many neutral people no longer feel sorry for Isreal after the horrible events of last month but think they’ve went too far.

 

Another pointer about Iz point is that as well as creating a new generation of agreeved Palestinian Hamas fighters the attacks have created a more extremist Israeli population and government with the left voices in Isreal moving to the right in their response to the events.

and of course living their lives would be much easier if Israel didn't have a blockade of Gaza going on even in peacetime and didn't have settlers slowly encroaching on Palestinian territory in the West Bank. You know, if it really is going to be a two-state solution, actually treat it like 2 independent states where infringing on the ability of the other to operate is a diplomatic no-no.

Again, Gaza has a border with Egypt. They can get whatever they want from Egypt, so it's not a "blockade" by any means.

 

As for a "two-state solution" - there won't be one since the Arabs aren't interested in it. It's very clear.

Again, Gaza has a border with Egypt. They can get whatever they want from Egypt, so it's not a "blockade" by any means.

 

As for a "two-state solution" - there won't be one since the Arabs aren't interested in it. It's very clear.

Israel controls supplies of water, electricity and other essentials. It is a blockade.

 

Netanyahu has no interest in a two-state solution. He wants to do everything he can to ensure it never happens.

Egypt aids and abets the blockade, for its own reasons, chiefly, not recognising Hamas, they're not friends. The border with Egypt is if anything more restrictive, no commercial goods through there. It is a blockade that makes it incredibly difficult for Gaza to be a normal place to live. Again, half the population in Gaza are children, which is a sign of immense poverty.

 

Two-state, one-state, whatever the solution, both sides need to work towards a solution where they can tolerate each other to live and not let this go unresolved, because into the gap comes more violence and deaths of civilians. Israel's government isn't working towards a solution either at this point.

Touch wood, the Armistice day march for Palestine appears to be peaceful and orderly so far, I've got it live on the BBC in the background and I don't know what they're expecting to happen, it's just quiet marching with the occasional 'Free Palestine' chant.

 

The extra attention on it from Suella and the goons kicking off about it being on Armistice Day might have helped actually.

 

seeing some chat about 'river to the sea' chants on Twitter, which aren't ideal but they aren't appearing in the main coverage as far as I can hear.

 

A bunch of counter protesters (read: far-right thugs) have been arrested near a pub on the protest march route while also causing aggression near the Cenotaph - the right causing all the trouble again, quelle surprise.

Wonder if Suella will come out and complain about them?

Wonder if Suella will come out and complain about them?

I won't be holding my breath.

Most of the coverage in the press and the uttering if Tory MPs will be about the few offensive placards and chants from the Pro Palestinian marches.

 

They don't give a monkeys about the mass slaughter of innocent children in Gaza. We live in a country ruled by evil people.

#NoJewsNoNews

 

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After more than 24 hours, Suella decided to tweet thanking the police for their work yesterday, briefly mentioning counter protesters in one sentence and then just ranting about how disgustingly antisemitic all of the peace march protesters are. They really are trying to drum up a narrative that both sides behaved equally awfully yesterday.

peace march protesters

Are you serious?

 

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even the government (minus our swivel-eyed Home Sec) is calling it a peace march and admitting that the vast majority of those who were there had only peaceful intentions, bore off. 300,000 people aren't going to be united by the thought of more violence.

Are you serious?

 

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Lol nice try. Do you think the counter protesters were right to behave in the manner they did?

 

Ideally I’d like some sort of human response, rather than some robotic Twitter links.

I mean for every example you show there are plenty of them for the counter protesters.

Are you serious?

The majority of people arrested yesterday were right wing nutjobs protesting g near the Cenotaph. That is despite the fact that the peace marchers overwhelmed them by a huge margin. Well over 99% of the peace protesters marched peacefully and caused no trouble. The same cannot be said of the counter-protesters near the Cenotaph. The latter group are the ones who showed a total lack of respect on a solemn weekend.

People on here just refuse to open their eyes. The truth is out there.

 

Peaceful protest? What a sad joke. It was a "protest" full of HATE.

 

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