But with downloading you don't get any of the packaging so it feels like I'm being ripped off in a sense. I often buy albums that have nice packaging just so I can have that in my collection! Artwork and packaging in general is more important to me than it should be so I don't feel right paying for something where I don't get that part of it. Not that I think it's morally wrong to buy a download album, but it just feels... weird.

Edited September 9, 201113 yr by Umi

My cousin only ever downloads remixes ilegally :lol: He says he doesn't feel as guilty as he would if he downloaded the normal version of a song :P

I often buy albums that have nice packaging just so I can have that in my collection! Artwork and packaging in general is more important to me than it should be so I don't feel right paying for something where I don't get that part of it.

 

I'll repeat what I said in my last post.........

 

You're not getting a booklet or proper case with the illegal download either...... in fact you're getting the same as you would with the legal download - the only difference is that in one case you're stealing the music and in the other you're paying.

 

So how does the lack of artwork & packaging jusify the illegal download?? IT DOESN'T!

 

You do not get packaging with either method whether it be legal or illegal, I know this. I do not like to pay for music if I don't get packaging. Therefore I make do with an illegal download until such time that a physical becomes available (if it does). This only applies to singles for the most part as they don't get physical releases usually and I get the album that the single is on when it comes out so I don't think it's a problem really except in the case of people like Mini Viva who never got an album. In those cases you can tell me I'm a thief or whatever all you want.

Anyone who thinks less then 50% I just personally dont understand that, it has to be at least over 50%, and even that, i'd have to say probably looking at whole population i would have a guess that 80% download illegally, whether its albums or singles.

On the whole % thing, I did read that Black Eyed Peas (when they had that massive 6 month reign on the Hot 100 with BBP and IGF consectutively) would've spent 3 more months at number 1 if downloads were included :o

On the whole % thing, I did read that Black Eyed Peas (when they had that massive 6 month reign on the Hot 100 with BBP and IGF consectutively) would've spent 3 more months at number 1 if downloads were included :o

 

Did billboard not include itunes downloads in 2009 :o

I don't get the it's too expensive excuse. You have birthday's and Christmas where you can get albums and iTunes money.

 

If it's available to purchase legally then I don't really see why you can't just do that. Especially if you know you like it. The only way the too expensive excuse works is for importing. It costs a bloody fortune to have stuff shipped over from Sweden, Norway and Australia.

Did billboard not include itunes downloads in 2009 :o

Yeah, they did - I meant illegal downloads :lol:

I think illegal downloading affects older songs more. Tracks like Bohemian Rhapsody for example, I think virtually everyone seems to have on their MP3 player etc, yet the iTunes chart is packed with new songs. Fair enough, new songs would be in there, but it seems to take advertising AND reducing to 59p for some people to legally download oldies. Just what I'm thinking anyway, also AT LEAST 90% of downloads must be illegal. I'd say the percentage for a song like Changed The Way You Kiss Me would be far lower than an older song like Irene Cara's Fame though, even though Example has probably had more illegal downloads as well in the last few months than Irene has had in probably a couple of years. :P

 

Onto wether I illegally download or not, I'd love to be able to purchase my music, but I just don't have the disposable income. One day I hope to be able to pay for everything I want on my laptop, but for now illegal and Vevo shall have to suffice. :(

Some people say the prices need to be as they are because of illegal downloading, but surely if prices were lowered a bit than more people would purchase legally and the record companies would make up the money? We've seen the wonders that lowering the price of a song to 79p/59p on iTunes can do, just look at Christina Perri..

 

As for the expensive excuse, I don't think people can entirely comment as we don't know the different financial situations. Fair enough, one song can only cost 99p, but over time it can build up to a lot of money.

Edited September 9, 201113 yr by Jáhq

I regularly download illegally but that's only because 80% of my playlist are Asian-Pop and I can't download them on iTunes (well I can but the amount I download is 5-30 songs a week and I can't afford to pay £0.99 per song....).

 

I always ended up buying the albums after they are shipped anyways and in all editions (e.g if there are edition A, B, C I would just get them all even though if they have the same tracklist) so it's all even in the end.

 

As for western music, if it's a fan for the artist I buy it (Gaga 100% bought) and some occasionally good songs (this weeks chart battle songs for example). If it's just some songs which I know will get played only around 50 times then I download it illegally.

I don't get the it's too expensive excuse. You have birthday's and Christmas where you can get albums and iTunes money.

 

If it's available to purchase legally then I don't really see why you can't just do that. Especially if you know you like it. The only way the too expensive excuse works is for importing. It costs a bloody fortune to have stuff shipped over from Sweden, Norway and Australia.

 

Exsactly, to get just 3 albums I wanted recently, it would have cost me over £90 which is ridiculous. When if they were bothered to be released in the UK or made avaliable at a normal price it would cost me like £27-£30

Averaging out all your guesses as to what % of downloads are illegal, the figure I get is 62%.

The answer to the question 'what portion of all downloads do you think are illegal' is bizarre.

 

OBVIOUSLY it is more than 90%. Look around you (at young people who actually know how to download songs from here and there). Everybody has all the big hits even the weekly hits. How many of them download them legally? Nobody, they are too expensive to have. People here may actually 'respect' and want to 'support' music more than the average person. Do not nessesarily judge by youself only.

 

Ah, but you make the erroneous assumption that most music is downloaded by the young. That may be more true of current hits, but they are perhaps just a 3 month slice out of many decades of music.

 

In fact, on an average week, 5/8ths of weekly singles sales are from outside the top 200, and only 1/3rd of sales are from within the top 75!

 

There's also the fact that older people are likely to have more disposable income, therefore less need to obtain music illegally through reasons of cost.

Edited September 10, 201113 yr by vidcapper

I buy my download singles from tunetribe as they sell most of their singles for 55p and I get my albums from amazon as you can get them for mostly £3.99 or sometimes 2 for £10. I see no reason to steal music

The estimate for illegal downloading was 1.2 billion tracks last year, what were overall single sales?

The estimate for illegal downloading was 1.2 billion tracks last year, what were overall single sales?

 

~147m

 

But how does anyone come up with an estimate for illegal downloads, given that it is clandestine by nature?

Well, I've no idea. I just got it from the following article...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...ng-2351636.html

 

The move would come as a welcome reprieve for the music industry, which is struggling to cope with the growing popularity of free online music. Sales of CDs continued a steady decline last year: they were down 12.4 per cent, to 98.5 million units sold. In the same year, BPI, the record industry trade association, predicted that 1.2 billion songs had been illegally downloaded.

I think illegal downloading affects older songs more. Tracks like Bohemian Rhapsody for example, I think virtually everyone seems to have on their MP3 player etc, yet the iTunes chart is packed with new songs.

 

Well songs like that are available on a large number of CDs and could have been put on from those I suppose.