If the song had been credited Christina Aguilera ft. Maroon 5, and they swapped the parts they sing, I'm pretty sure it would've sill sold a million.

 

Maybe so but you're forgetting the part where IT'S NOT.

But she's still a featured artist. Hence Eminem ft Rihanna. (Eminem's song featuring Rihanna, not a song by Rihanna).

 

I never argued she wasnt a featured artist, my arguement was its not as black and white as you make out that its eminems million-seller not riris. She has a much greater part in the song then say Christina does in Moves Like Jagger. MLJ was always going to be a massive hit because its a great pop song.

I never argued she wasnt a featured artist, my arguement was its not as black and white as you make out that its eminems million-seller not riris. She has a much greater part in the song then say Christina does in Moves Like Jagger. MLJ was always going to be a massive hit because its a great pop song.

 

It doesn't matter how much the featured artist is used, though. They could sing just a few lines or they could dominate most of the song, but at the end of the day they're only doing a guest vocal on someone else's song.

It doesn't matter how much the featured artist is used, though. They could sing just a few lines or they could dominate most of the song, but at the end of the day they're only doing a guest vocal on someone else's song.

 

Or guest production in the case of David Guetta's numerous features.

Maybe so but you're forgetting the part where IT'S NOT.

 

Oh it isn't? Had NO IDEA! :lol:

 

Seriously though, there's no point discussing this really, since I know absolutely however successful Christina manages to get again, people will just downplay her success and keep making excuses.

 

There's no denying that LTWYL helped Rihanna's career, and a lot of people associated the song with her, so you can't say "she's featured, don't count lol". It's not as simple as that. A better arguement for the people who're embarrassed at Christina having success after mocking her would be to go down the "She only sang a bridge/verse" route, rather than "She's only featured, so I won't count her, and I've suddenly stopped counting featued artists on ALL songs so I can validly continue to call Christina a flop".

It doesn't matter how much the featured artist is used, though. They could sing just a few lines or they could dominate most of the song, but at the end of the day they're only doing a guest vocal on someone else's song.

 

 

They are when you look at it like that but as with alot of things in the world its not quite as black and white as that....i suppose we will agree to differ!

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by steve201

It is ridiculous to claim that Rihanna and Christina don't/won't have a million-seller in LTWYL and MLJ respectively. Regardless of how much they are featured on the songs, their names are credited and both artists probably really helped both songs get to the million mark (or at least this soon).

 

Yes LTWYL would have still been a great song without Rihanna but I very much doubt it would have sold as much without her name attached to the record, her feature in the chorus, her feature in the video and the hype of her singing about her and Chris Brown's relationship.

 

And the same can almost definitely be said for Christina. Fair enough she flopped this time last year but I think her part (albeit a tiny one) brings something to the song. If it was just a Maroon 5 track, it would've probably done well but, again, it probably wouldn't have reached a million without her feature - or at least not as quickly.

Oh it isn't? Had NO IDEA! :lol:

 

Seriously though, there's no point discussing this really, since I know absolutely however successful Christina manages to get again, people will just downplay her success and keep making excuses.

 

There's no denying that LTWYL helped Rihanna's career, and a lot of people associated the song with her, so you can't say "she's featured, don't count lol". It's not as simple as that. A better arguement for the people who're embarrassed at Christina having success after mocking her would be to go down the "She only sang a bridge/verse" route, rather than "She's only featured, so I won't count her, and I've suddenly stopped counting featued artists on ALL songs so I can validly continue to call Christina a flop".

 

But the whole point is she isn't. A song which she has a very minor featured role on is having success. It has nothing to do with her. If she's actually successful when she releases new material again then she can drop the 'Floptina' tag but Moves Like Jagger DOESN'T count.

 

It is ridiculous to claim that Rihanna and Christina don't/won't have a million-seller in LTWYL and MLJ respectively.

 

They have one but it's not theirs and it counts for less than one of their own, is my viewpoint.

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by Michael Bubré

But she's still a featured artist. Hence Eminem ft Rihanna. (Eminem's song featuring Rihanna, not a song by Rihanna).

Ridiculous. Both artists are mentioned so both have the million seller.

Or by using other examples you could say David Guetta helped Snoop Doggs single Sweat become a massive hit...without Guettas beat which is so dominant in the charts in 2011 it wouldnt have been anywhere as near a big hit. Snoop Dogg clearly used Guetta because he knew it would revive his popular profile again!

But the whole point is she isn't. A song which she has a very minor featured role on is having success. It has nothing to do with her. If she's actually successful when she releases new material again then she can drop the 'Floptina' tag but Moves Like Jagger DOESN'T count.

It does. Part of the appeal is Christina, she is a featured artist and she counts as pert of the success.

 

End of - you can argue this tenuously all you like as you don't like Christina, but the fact is she is a credited artist and it counts as part of her success.

Or by using other examples you could say David Guetta helped Snoop Doggs single Sweat become a massive hit...without Guettas beat which is so dominant in the charts in 2011 it wouldnt have been anywhere as near a big hit. Snoop Dogg clearly used Guetta because he knew it would revive his popular profile again!

 

Guetta isn't a featured artist on Sweat though - it's 'Snoop Dogg vs. David Guetta' so they count as equal billing. Bad example.

Guetta isn't a featured artist on Sweat though - it's 'Snoop Dogg vs. David Guetta' so they count as equal billing. Bad example.

In my opinion, I am never happy with a producer getting credit actually - its like having all the Beatles songs feat. George Martin!

Guetta isn't a featured artist on Sweat though - it's 'Snoop Dogg vs. David Guetta' so they count as equal billing. Bad example.

 

Maybe a poor example but there are plenty of others out there....anyway back to 'Sweat' if it had been released by SD as a new single from a new album by him without Guettas production giving it a '2011 popular sound' it would have peaked at no25 like his last leading single did imo!

Guetta isn't a featured artist on Sweat though - it's 'Snoop Dogg vs. David Guetta' so they count as equal billing. Bad example.

 

How about Gettin' Over You then?

 

The single version is credited to David Guetta & Chris Willis ft. LMFAO & Fergie.

 

The album version which was David Guetta ft. Chris Willis got to #41, and when the LMFAO/Fergie remix was released it jumped 40 places all the way to #1, so I think in that case we can argue that the featured artists contributed to its success.

Ridiculous. Both artists are mentioned so both have the million seller.

 

Mentioned. Not their song.

 

It was on Eminem's album, it was Eminem's single, it was released by Eminem and it charted as Eminem FEATURING Rihanna. This means Eminem has a #2 single that has Rihanna singing on it. Why would it count as Rihanna's song? All she did was sing the chorus FOR him and FOR the song.

 

EDIT - and just because artists CONTRIBUTE to a songs success still doesn't technically make it THEIR song. They're STILL only featuring on someone else's release.

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by shadow2009

Christina's part is the definitive part of MLJ for me, I've gone off the song but I still love her bit. I'm not an Xtina loon or anything either bar Hurt being one of my top 5 of all time, I don't know why I love her bit so much!

 

In my opinion, I am never happy with a producer getting credit actually - its like having all the Beatles songs feat. George Martin!

Agreed, in my book it just reeks of desperation to get more hype/airplay etc. when the featured credit is 'ft. David Guetta' :lol:

Maybe a poor example but there are plenty of others out there....anyway back to 'Sweat' if it had been released by SD as a new single from a new album by him without Guettas production giving it a '2011 popular sound' it would have peaked at no25 like his last leading single did imo!

 

Here's a Snoop Dogg solo version without David Guetta's production. I think #25 is quite generous to be honest. This version is on iTunes, and it went top 300 for a few days iirc, but that's it:

 

 

Although it was David Guetta that approached Snoop Dogg to do the remix, rather than the other way around.

Although I'm on the team 'give Christina credit for Moves Like Jagger', 'Gettin' Over You' is another bad example - that was simply a case of people purchasing the version avaliable, rather than waiting for the 'remix' featuring Fergie + LMFAO to be released the following week, we'll never know if the original would've become a hit by itself and never will now. I do think Fergie and LMFAO helped the track become a bit more unique though - straying away from a simple 'David Guetta and Chris Willis' track.

Mentioned. Not their song.

 

It was on Eminem's album, it was Eminem's single, it was released by Eminem and it charted as Eminem FEATURING Rihanna. This means Eminem has a #2 single that has Rihanna singing on it. Why would it count as Rihanna's song? All she did was sing the chorus FOR him and FOR the song.

 

EDIT - and just because artists CONTRIBUTE to a songs success still doesn't technically make it THEIR song. They're STILL only featuring on someone else's release.

Yes, they are part of it. In terms of the chart, they have a billing and it is part of their chart history and credited to them. You cannot get away from this fact all you argue.