(after it charted in the UK singles chart :D )

 

Too bad TBO is like Junior Eurovision compared to the REAL thing.

 

(only Bray if guilty of charting songs AFTER appearing in the UK singles chart :D)

 

Regardless if it's the Junior Eurovision or whatnot, I still managed to grow into loving the song. PLUS it won the contest anyways so it's not like it needed more support than it originally had. :lol:

Not always, if so then someone like me wouldn't be voting for iamamwhoami's play or Woodkid's Run Boy Run and going by my BJSC taste, I'd say I'm fairly up there on the vanilla-pop end side of the spectrum. :P

 

In fairness, I never said 'always'! It just appears to me that, overall, hipsters give more to vanillas than what vanillas give to hipsters. I'm not against vanillas in any way, but the few vanillas who do accuse the hipsters of voting for each other are actually the worst 'offenders' of the lot. :heehee:

Can we stop using the word 'vanilla'. Feels like I'm reading the Rate results thread again!

I think that patterns emerge quite a lot but they're not on purpose. I think I've given Daehun almost twice as many points as my #2 country but that's not because I'm friends with Oricon, he just sends good stuff all the damn time. And I'm sure Silas giving Rich or Tom 12 every single contest is just coincidence.

 

I guess it just comes down to how much we trust each other to vote based on songs.

Edited December 30, 201212 yr by Umi

In fairness, I never said 'always'! It just appears to me that, overall, hipsters give more to vanillas than what vanillas give to hipsters. I'm not against vanillas in any way, but the few vanillas who do accuse the hipsters of voting for each other are actually the worst 'offenders' of the lot. :heehee:

YES.

 

And those vanillas who constantly say vanillas vote for hipsters too (which can even sound like it's a pity vote / they are doing everyone a FAVOUR, or like it's some kind of a MIRACLE) can usually give like 4 examples TOPS while most of the hipster lot have at least twice as many.

i srsly don't think it's that black and white??? like at the end of the day, most of the entries sent are pop songs... i think the only one who is consistently indie in his taste is grebo tbh and even he's sent pop that's done very well.

 

and as for the votes being predictable on the hipster side... i feel like what cal is saying is 100% - i've seen rly surprising votes for seemingly 'hipster' countries, i feel the 'vanilla' ones are the ones who are completely 1-dimensional. there is no exclusively hipster countries who vote hipster tracks only, but there's deffo vanilla countries who vote vanilla every single time... even at that though there's hardly any vanilla countries anymore - everyone sends something different every month so i just guess it's your luck of what's best each time?

 

Edited December 30, 201212 yr by ✖ leww ✖

Well, with the exception of Robot, who seems to change his taste to what was successful the past month (:D) all the pop posters have been sending pop in an attempt to 'bring pop back' and all of the 'indie bloc' have been sending tracks appealing to their own kind - so it's not really surprising that people have been voting for the a lot of the same people in this 'war' between the two cliques.

 

People will always claim they are voting for their favourite songs and I do believe them, but you will also give songs from your friends and favourite nations more of a chance to grow on you, so in turn you will be more likely to give them points.

 

If more people took chances on tracks outside their comfort zone, perhaps we'd get a more diverse range of votes (and I'm sure Lindstrom would have smashed BJSC really Hits, maybe not won but up there with the best). I'm definitely going to try for 2013 to take as many risks as I can and not just send female electropop all the time because that gets boring month after month. I swear nations like Bellamia have just been sending the same song over and over again and not getting why it failed.

 

Plus not EVERY entry has to be either the coolest new thing from Pitchfork or the latest dance-pop craze. I'd love to see more entries than there currently are going against the norm, power ballads, rock anthems, rap tracks, etc. If it's good, it should appeal to at least some people here.

ALL OF THIS SO MUCH.

 

Hits, I gave Lindstrøm 12 points in UP (I already knew the track) and I most certainly would have given him high points in Buzzjack. I've also given 12 points to your very much non-indie anthem 'Take You Higher'. I now vote without going out of my way to know the country names - I download the MP3s, compile my votes and check which countries I've voted for after (although I inevitably pick up on a few beforehand). This hasn't actually changed my favourite countries at all and my votes don't look particularly different - they're still unashamedly alt and that's just the way my taste works. Nevertheless, I do vote for plenty of pop songs, and the vast majority of pop songs I discover are through this. BJSC pop >>> chart pop.

 

When I check what countries the entries correspond to, it's all rather predictable I'm afraid! :( The most interesting countries, I find, are the ones that are 'in between' both 'sides' as my voting patterns for them are likely to be erratic to suit my rather biased taste, rather than being reliably good or reliably shit.

 

I really do hope that pop countries don't dismiss my entries simply because they're under the Skall brand. Fortunately, the trashy Electrovamp doing moderately well almost entirely due to pop votes means that it's not as if pop countries would never vote for me, but I do have to wonder if they would've done better if sent by Ramrynia...

Edited December 30, 201212 yr by Harve

This thread is seriously making me consider sending some Armenian ethno-folk in January!

This thread is seriously making me consider sending some Armenian ethno-folk in January!

 

Can you send this please in return for me sending some brilliant Swedish electropop next month. Thanks bbz xxx

has no-one considered that 2012 entries are different also because music itself is different this year???? music trends change, people are opening their minds to new sounds every single week and i'm pretty sure 2013 will be even worse, but not because of one-sided hipsterness but because everyone just likes these songs

 

i actually can't that this discussion is being done again you guys, just send what you want!!

Indeed. At the end of the day, by far the most dominant why reason tracks are going to do well is because they're well liked by the voters. If they're not from genres that are popular, they're probably not tracks liked enough to do well. Pop is obviously a popular genre but not perhaps as much as it once was.

I'm not against vanillas in any way, but the few vanillas who do accuse the hipsters of voting for each other are actually the worst 'offenders' of the lot. :heehee:

 

 

YES.

 

And those vanillas who constantly say vanillas vote for hipsters too (which can even sound like it's a pity vote / they are doing everyone a FAVOUR, or like it's some kind of a MIRACLE) can usually give like 4 examples TOPS while most of the hipster lot have at least twice as many.

 

Is that somehow directed at me or....? :unsure:

I do try and send a variety of entries to BJSC, but I do admit that my votes to tend to be fairly pop-heavy nowadays :no:

TBH for the most part I just see people voting for what they like, regardless. I won't just automatically decide I'll dislike an entry because of the country. However, my votes tend to go to the same countries because they send the sort of stuff I like, but if they were to send a shit song I wouldn't still give them points, like. If that made any sense.

AND (I'm not even sure if this post is necessary but I'm just putting it out there :D )

 

Let's be honest, most alt songs are also pop songs using the magic 'pop + anything = pop' formula. Just because Grimes and Purity Ring can be vaguely considered challenging doesn't mean they don't make pop music. The two terms aren't mutually exclusive.

 

That could well explain why the 'hipster smoothies' routinely vote for both generic and alt pop. I'd say there's a strong bias to the latter because it has a tendency to be constantly reinventing itself while 70% of the time generic pop lives up to its other, pejorative meaning and sounds stale and recycled to me. :whistle:

Edited December 30, 201212 yr by Harve

Is that somehow directed at me or....? :unsure:

 

Oh, I wasn't aiming anything at you at all! :o By 'the few' I meant some pop voters, not all remaining pop voters! My post was aimed at the few (i.e. two or three) who complained about this apparent 'hipster bloc voting' when they themselves voted everything-pop. I think this all came to a head when 'hipster' songs started to win. But I think it's really important to remember that indie entries were kind of a taboo back in the old days (much like foreign-language entries), so it's only natural for them to have their moment to shine.

Compared to 2011, BJSC 2012 just seemed to become two cliques (the hipsters and the vanillas) and each group just seemed to vote for each other in every contest - particularly between Aug-Dec which became more of a sigh when votes were revealed - you could almost guarantee who was voting for who before votes were revealed. This hardly happened in 2011 which just made the contest seem more genuine.

 

I just get the impression if "Batidas" entered Lindstrøm into BJSC, those who gave me big points in UP11 would probably just dish out 1 or 2 points to me whilst giving the big points to their nearest and dearest. Maybe I've read too much into BJSC voting these last few months but at least I can say I've always given my 12 points to my fave song, not fave poster. Maybe it's all a sheer coincidence, but when it happens for 4 months in a row... :(

I understand exactly where you are coming from!

 

 

Sucks to be in the Scandibloc right now :(

Oh, I wasn't aiming anything at you at all! :o By 'the few' I meant some pop voters, not all remaining pop voters! My post was aimed at the few (i.e. two or three) who complained about this apparent 'hipster bloc voting' when they themselves voted everything-pop. I think this all came to a head when 'hipster' songs started to win. But I think it's really important to remember that indie entries were kind of a taboo back in the old days (much like foreign-language entries), so it's only natural for them to have their moment to shine.

 

Oh, right I see!

 

I wait for the day when I can somehow win with an Asian entry then, considering K-Pop was considered a taboo in BJSC as well. :dance:

Oh, right I see!

 

I wait for the day when I can somehow win with an Asian entry then, considering K-Pop was considered a taboo in BJSC as well. :dance:

 

I think with the right song any genre can win! I know I might seem quite anti-K/J-pop, but I think I gave 12 points to Greenfroze's first ever entry which was k-pop, or was it j-pop? I can't remember! :lol:

 

I think with the right song any genre can win! I know I might seem quite anti-K/J-pop, but I think I gave 12 points to Greenfroze's first ever entry which was k-pop, or was it j-pop? I can't remember! :lol:

 

This fact caught me such by surprise that I had to go back and check. I found out (the file excel spreadsheet was still available to download :D ) that you gave me 10 points in our semi final. How great! Thanks! ^_^

 

To make clear why I'm surprised and to reminisce a bit.. this is what I made my enthusiastic debut with:

 

 

A bit of a risk at the time, I admit (:kink:) But it's still a very, very lovely entry! :wub:

Edited December 31, 201212 yr by Freeze