Imagine Dragons :wub:

 

I really can't wait to see how they do! I really want them to be as big as I'm hoping they're going to be!

I don't think Adele blew the Black Eyed Peas out of the water at all. The BEP's had managed to completely re-invent their image and sound from r'n'b/hop hop to full on electro-pop in the space of three years and made it look genuine. 26 weeks at #1 in the US, three massive worldwide singles, good album sales and a huge buzz around them wherever they went, I've never seen anything like it.

 

Adele dominated in 2011 but it felt more like she was being rammed down our throats than the BEP's ever were. Her airplay was insane and she was being hailed as the saviour of the music industry. No wonder her album was so huge, it was practically the only album that was getting any attention that year.

 

The Black Eyed Peas were huge in 2009, and I love them, so I won't deny that. Also Dizzee Rascal and Tinchy Stryder were huge in 2009 with their dance songs (Bonkers, Holiday, Number 1, Take Me Back, etc.), but everybody was releasing that kind of music at the time. If one of the "dance" artists hadn't released music that year, it wouldn't have made a difference since a dozen other popular artists were releasing similar songs anyway. So I don't think the Black Eyed Peas made much of a difference to the music industry. Yeah, they had a dance hit in 2009. Who didn't?

 

The 26 weeks at #1 was pretty mind-blowing though!

 

2011 really shows how desperate the situation got, that "boring" songs like The A Team and Someone Like You were more exciting for the general public and the media to report on than the dance songs. Adele was one of the only people at the time releasing that kind of music and having success (especially on a worldwide scale).

 

Trust me, from 2011, people are going to remember Adele and Ed Sheeran and Christina Perri. Nobody is going to remember those eurodance songs like Beautiful People and Sweat.

Imagine Dragons :wub:

 

I really can't wait to see how they do! I really want them to be as big as I'm hoping they're going to be!

 

I see no reason why 'It's Time' won't go top 5,, and their album become a potential million seller.

Adele-mania in 2011 was the beginning of the end for dance-pop really. I knew from then that it was going to end, and I've never seen such a chart phenomenon before. I thought the Black Eyed Peas were huge in 2009 with 3 songs in the year-end top 10, but Adele's success completely blew that out the water, and there was an obvious reason why Adele was successful. Not a synth or a 4-4 dance beat in sight on her album. People now want MUSIC over image again.

 

As for dance-pop, I wouldn't trace its start to 2009 at all. 2006 was easily when it started. You can go on the Internet and see blogs, news reports, etc. about how dance-pop was making a comeback around then, especially in the US. That's the whole reason why Beyonce recorded a song like Sweet Dreams, why Lily Allen recorded a song like The Fear, why Chris Brown recorded a song like Forever, why Kelly Rowland, Akon, etc. collabed with David Guetta, why people like Britney Spears did dance-heavy albums. Alll those songs were recorded in 2008 or before. It was already happening well before 2009 and everybody knew it. 2008 was already a very dance-pop year with the likes of Basshunter, September, etc in the UK, and Disturbia, Womanizer, etc. in the US.

 

 

Yeah great post Eric, by 2008 indie was on its last legs but it continued to sell because it was dominating radio by then totally. Whereas the indie chart origins went back to 2003 when it wasn't popular at radio - it takes the radio stations/record labels a long while to react to changes in attitudes. Just the same as the electro-pop era began in 2006 when most of the mid-noughties indie bands were on album no2/3 and beginning to get clueless about where to go next.

 

There are always exceptions like Arctic Monkeys etc.

 

As you say though by 2011 people wanted REAL music again which is exactly why Mumford and Sons and bands like that became massive as well as Adele!!

Imagine Dragons :wub:

 

I really can't wait to see how they do! I really want them to be as big as I'm hoping they're going to be!

 

 

Since Bastille are doing well in the charts, Imagine Dragons should do quite well, it seems Indie music is on the up lately, maybe the tide of the charts is starting to change for the better. :D The 1975, Stereophonics are making a bit of a chart comeback.

As you say though by 2011 people wanted REAL music again which is exactly why Mumford and Sons and bands like that became massive as well as Adele!!

 

Exactly. Even with the big pop stars, you can see a change. In the future people might trace the acoustic and mid-tempo music comeback to 2013, but I'd say it was definitely before. There was definitely less dance-pop in the charts in 2012 than in 2011, and in the pop music world the whole reason someone like Rihanna is releasing songs like Diamonds and Stay as her first two singles is because of this, and her label know that's what's going to sell now. If she lead with a dance song it wouldn't have been as big as Diamonds.

Yeah the rihanna example is perfect as shes the biggest pop star in the world!!

 

Its also the reason why (other than the brits promo obv) Only Love is only peaking in the chart this year and not last because radio has been slow to jump on bored or take a risk with an artist like Ben Howard hopefully its success and the brit award will see a change in music playlisted throughout this year!

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Adele-mania in 2011 was the beginning of the end for dance-pop really. I knew from then that it was going to end, and I've never seen such a chart phenomenon before. I thought the Black Eyed Peas were huge in 2009 with 3 songs in the year-end top 10, but Adele's success completely blew that out the water, and there was an obvious reason why Adele was successful. Not a synth or a 4-4 dance beat in sight on her album. People now want MUSIC over image again.

 

As for dance-pop, I wouldn't trace its start to 2009 at all. 2006 was easily when it started. You can go on the Internet and see blogs, news reports, etc. about how dance-pop was making a comeback around then, especially in the US. That's the whole reason why Beyonce recorded a song like Sweet Dreams, why Lily Allen recorded a song like The Fear, why Chris Brown recorded a song like Forever, why Kelly Rowland, Akon, etc. collabed with David Guetta, why people like Britney Spears did dance-heavy albums. Alll those songs were recorded in 2008 or before. It was already happening well before 2009 and everybody knew it. 2008 was already a very dance-pop year with the likes of Basshunter, September, etc in the UK, and Disturbia, Womanizer, etc. in the US.

 

Definitely correct about 2011 being the pivotal year in terms of the changing landscape of the music scene. Adele was definitely the force behind that! Her huge success allowed the likes of 'The A Team', 'Jar of Hearts' and 'Skinny Love' to be hammered on radio. Also, I think the huge success of Bruno Mars helped too. After all, 'Just the Way You Are' and 'Grenade' were impacting the charts before Adele even released RITD. Also in 2011, Beyonce released 4 which wasn't electro-pop at all. The musical shift in 2011 paved the way for Emeli Sande, Lana Del Rey etc.

 

On your second point, obviously dance-pop was around LONG before 2009 (Gwen Stefani was releasing WYWF in 2004, and GA were releasing dance-pop since 2003) but EURO-pop (i.e. the sub-genre that GaGa, Guetta, Calvin etc are in) broke out in 2009.

 

 

Rihanna is surely as good a parameter of what's going on as anything - her last few albums have basically been focus group sessions of what was going on in pop six months prior. Part of the reason that I hold up "Umbrella" as her only genuinely great song is because it should have been a complete Timbaland rip-off and wasn't.

22. The 1975 // Chocolate

 

Meanwhile Bastille

 

03. Pompeii

46. Pompeii

59. Pompeii

300. Pompeii

 

Anyone got combined pop-up bars?

but EURO-pop (i.e. the sub-genre that GaGa, Guetta, Calvin etc are in) broke out in 2009.

 

Not even the right genre for those artists either.

P!nk combined at 5 :D. Not that far off 4

On your second point, obviously dance-pop was around LONG before 2009 (Gwen Stefani was releasing WYWF in 2004, and GA were releasing dance-pop since 2003) but EURO-pop (i.e. the sub-genre that GaGa, Guetta, Calvin etc are in) broke out in 2009.

 

Dance-pop never went away especially in Europe, its like saying some artists were doing pop-rock during the urban invasion of the early 2000s. It never went away.

 

By the way, Gaga, Guetta, Calvin, do electro-pop. Not euro-pop.

231. Demi Lovato - Heart Attack

256. Nicole Scherzinger - Boomerang

356. Hit Makers - What About Us

849. The Saturdays Feat Flo Rida - Higher

1271. The Saturdays - Chasing Lights

1441. The Saturdays - All Fired Up

1489. The Saturdays - Issues

 

Pre-Order

79. The Saturdays Feat Sean Paul - What About Us [Could this actually get to number one now?)

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By the way, Gaga, Guetta, Calvin, do electro-pop. Not euro-pop.

 

Ok it's not really the best label but I don't know how else to differentiate the sound of 2009 with mid-00s songs such as 'Push the Button', 'SOS' etc. I'd say the label is accurate though. RedOne and Guetta are at least Euro-pop.

Could Pink grab a surprise no 1 in the next couple of weeks?

1271. The Saturdays - Chasing Lights

 

Why is a five year old album track in the iTunes top 1500?

But what even is landfill indie? I don't agree with the concept of it. I see passion and drive in indie just like I see passion and drive in dance. There's usually nothing in music that is produced that hasn't got a purpose.

Well there's generally passion in actual indie yes, but the faux-indie male guitar pop of the mid-2000s? I don't think so. Maybe I find it hard to find merit in the songs because I'm too busy being annoyed by the "lol we have guitars that means we're indie and SO CREDIBLE even though all our songs could be released by about 1000 different bands right now" thing that all the supposedly indie bands were pushing (and the public of course bought into). But it's really far off topic for the iTunes thread, isn't it.

Why is a five year old album track in the iTunes top 1500?

 

It was used in Chasing The Saturdays.