May 10, 201411 yr I didn't watch the final, but I cannot at Austria winning. It was well sung, but that was it :( Polska 14th? :cheer: f*** you bitch it was THE moment. *.*
May 10, 201411 yr Think the BBC did the right thing going for younger acts. They probably need to go the French route, sometimes getting stars sometimes not, but going for variety and class rather than trying to tailor it to Eurovision. If you look at French entries over the last 10 years they are all very different and unpredictable, often do badly, and they don't seem to worry about it. We've done ballads for 3 years, time for something different, something fresh and current and uptempo - be honest when was the last time we entered one of those? Love City Groove probably....
May 10, 201411 yr That's not the truth at all. There is quite clearly a huge divide. We give it the benefit of the doubt every year, but to have Molly do not much better than Bonnie Tyler is an insult. There's a difference between having songs on the radio in Europe and voting for songs in Eurovision! It's pretty much a given that we'll do badly each year. Adele is on the radio worldwide and I'd bet she still wouldn't pull votes. I don't want to believe it, but it's quite evident it's still political. I'm intrigued to know what those who don't think it's political think actually happened tonight? If you think Molly had a good song and gave a good enough performance, what stopped her doing well? There's not much going in favour of that argument. 2 words that will ALWAYS end this argument; Jade Ewen.
May 10, 201411 yr FINAL SCOREBOARD 01 Austria 290 02 The Netherlands 238 03 Sweden 218 04 Armenia 174 05 Hungary 143 06 Ukraine 113 07 Russia 89 08 Norway 88 09 Denmark 74 10 Spain 74 11 Finland 72 12 Romania 72 13 Switzerland 64 14 Poland 62 15 Iceland 58 16 Belarus 43 17 United Kingdom 40 18 Germany 39 19 Montenegro 37 20 Greece 35 21 Italy 33 22 Azerbaijan 32 23 Malta 32 24 San Marino 14 25 Slovenia 9 26 France 2
May 10, 201411 yr Think the BBC did the right thing going for younger acts. They probably need to go the French route, sometimes getting stars sometimes not, but going for variety and class rather than trying to tailor it to Eurovision. If you look at French entries over the last 10 years they are all very different and unpredictable, often do badly, and they don't seem to worry about it. We've done ballads for 3 years, time for something different, something fresh and current and uptempo - be honest when was the last time we entered one of those? Love City Groove probably.... If we took the French route I would love it. Despite their constant awful results there never seems like there's any bitterness behind their entries or that they're trying to do better than they are, they're just refreshingly varied. Although to be fair, any route that involves us sending a good song with a young singer is fine by me.
May 10, 201411 yr Think the BBC did the right thing going for younger acts. They probably need to go the French route, sometimes getting stars sometimes not, but going for variety and class rather than trying to tailor it to Eurovision. If you look at French entries over the last 10 years they are all very different and unpredictable, often do badly, and they don't seem to worry about it. We've done ballads for 3 years, time for something different, something fresh and current and uptempo - be honest when was the last time we entered one of those? Love City Groove probably.... Nothing short of a Calvin Harris produced, Adele sung song would get a UK win probably!
May 10, 201411 yr Expand on what you mean by "politics". Anti-western in general or do Europe just despise the UK? And if so... what happened in 2009 and 2011? It's a UK thing. I genuinely feel like there's a disconnect with the UK and the rest of Europe. 2009 & 2011 were the result of a hugely successful name and promotional tour (Webber) and a previously moderately successful career in Europe (Blue) I'm at a party right now, we all get together and have a Eurovision party every year.. Giving it the benefit if the doubt. But there's only so much snubbing we can take. Regardless of tastes, you can not say that out of all 26 songs, the UK's song deserved 17th. It was a snub. I'm not throwing the 'political' argument around because we flopped. There are a few people backtracking, after thinking Molly would do well, to avoid the argument. "Looking back, it wasn't that great" etc. Hindsight.. Hmm..
May 10, 201411 yr 2 words that will ALWAYS end this argument; Jade Ewen. I agree with this. Didn't Blue come top 5 in the televote as well? And that was even more recently.
May 10, 201411 yr I can only go back to what I said before. The UK entry was decent enough but it needs to be more than that. There is nothing to be gained in having lots of people ranking our entry second, third or fourth if those people only vote for one song. Given the choice between having a song which 15% of overseas viewers love, 10% loathe and the rest have no strong opinion or a song which 5% of people love, 5% hate with the rest in between, the former song is likely to do better. We need to come up with a song which stands out from the rest.
May 10, 201411 yr 2 words that will ALWAYS end this argument; Jade Ewen. And three words to undo it.. Andrew Lloyd Webber ;) Jade solo wouldn't have been half as successful and I love that song.
May 10, 201411 yr It's a UK thing. I genuinely feel like there's a disconnect with the UK and the rest of Europe. 2009 & 2011 were the result of a hugely successful name and promotional tour (Webber) and a previously moderately successful career in Europe (Blue) I'm at a party right now, we all get together and have a Eurovision party every year.. Giving it the benefit if the doubt. But there's only so much snubbing we can take. Regardless of tastes, you can not say that out of all 26 songs, the UK's song deserved 17th. It was a snub. I'm not throwing the 'political' argument around because we flopped. There are a few people backtracking, after thinking Molly would do well, to avoid the argument. "Looking back, it wasn't that great" etc. Hindsight.. Hmm.. Indeed. Molly should've been nothing short of top 3!
May 10, 201411 yr All this 'We couldn't even win it with X' or it'd take 'X + Y collaborating with Z to even make an impact' talk is just rubbish. Look at what worked for Conchita, media hype. What worked for the Common Linnets was being completely different to everything else in the competition. Which makes people place them first in their rankings, which means they vote. With the best will in the world, none of our entries of late have come close to either of those, and what has worked for winners of late has never been sending big names in the music industry.
May 10, 201411 yr Go Ruth getting that top ten for Spain! So many shocking under performances - UK, Malta, Greece, Azerbaijan! I hope Radio 2 will playlist Calm After The Storm, it could be a genuine hit here with continued support. Looking like it might go top 20 anyway, which is unheard of for a foreign runner up these days!
May 10, 201411 yr We came Top 3 in 2002, though that was before the Iraq War of course! :P Tonight was the first time I heard "Children Of The Universe". I thought the song we entered this year was 'pleasant enough' but nothing more, it didn't really stand out, sound in any way inspired and the chorus sounded a bit like "Paradise" by Coldplay. Maybe it's a grower, but it was never likely to storm it. Then again the Netherlands entrant was a complete DULL FEST and that went 2nd (thank god Austria beat it!)
May 10, 201411 yr Yeah, I mean, I'm gutted that we haven't done as well as I hoped we would, but these calls for us to quit, I will always find ridiculous. We can get success when our song connects with people, clearly the song just didn't hit people liked we hoped it would. We came top 5 with Jade Ewen and we came top 5 in the televoting (aka the people who are accused of being political) with Blue. I'm not saying there's no trace of politics and diaspora, there obviously is, but I don't think people hate the UK and "don't want to vote for us". We'll find out tonight whether the televoting was in our favour or not, it was 3 years ago (but the juries weren't), if it wasn't this year, then I think the bottom line is, people didn't like the song as much as we do. Ireland do poorly every year but I don't believe it's a politics thing, people just don't care for their songs. I just hope we continue sending inspired songs and musicians as we have this year because it is the right route to take and it will strike lucky for us at some point if we keep trying. I think sometimes we just expect points to fall into our laps because WE ARE THE ALMIGHTY UNITED KINGDOM. Do I think Conchita would've won representing the UK tonight? Absolutely.
May 10, 201411 yr FINAL SCOREBOARD 01 Austria 290 02 The Netherlands 238 03 Sweden 218 04 Armenia 174 05 Hungary 143 06 Ukraine 113 07 Russia 89 08 Norway 88 09 Denmark 74 10 Spain 74 11 Finland 72 12 Romania 72 13 Switzerland 64 14 Poland 62 15 Iceland 58 16 Belarus 43 17 United Kingdom 40 18 Germany 39 19 Montenegro 37 20 Greece 35 21 Italy 33 22 Azerbaijan 32 23 Malta 32 24 San Marino 14 25 Slovenia 9 26 France 2 Ta. 6 of my top 10 in the actual top 10 and the top 3 were the right top 3 (if I can't have Molly). We did beat Italy, Germany and France, and Ruth Lorenzo might as well be a British/Spain co-entry at 10...of the Big 5. B-)
May 10, 201411 yr And three words to undo it.. Andrew Lloyd Webber ;) Jade solo wouldn't have been half as successful and I love that song. Who was also from the UK, if it was so political we wouldn't have received the votes.
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