Steven is seriously such a creep... but I'm more :/ at Kimberly for supposedly finding him to be an attractive prospect!

Only just caught up with it all but surely this is going to be seen as the worst ever series in recent times?! Surprised the public like boring bullies like Ash! Nah, surprised people have time to even watch this shite now. It is utterly embarrasing, I suppose Ashleigh will go next and at this rate f***ing Helen will win?! :)

The advances Steven is putting on Kim is crazy scary! I find his behaviour towards her quite aggressive and controlling! :\

 

Literally caught up with the last 4 episodes! Shocked Matthew went and I genuinely didn't think he'd go over Ash! How did that happen? I think I'm warming to Helen a bit more and think she's just lost as a person and someone who's a little misunderstood a lot of the time. What Christmas did to her was pretty shitty. He was clearly only doing it so he'd be seen as the more popular one outside of the house. I'm not excusing any of her past behaviour as she is incredibly aggressive in her arguments, but sometimes I don't think people give her a fair chance. The moment with her and Ashleigh was actually pretty nice to see, and it was good to see that Ashleigh knew she's been a miserable bitch for the past 3 weeks. So she is self aware of herself. Still don't get why everyone's worshipping her though. She's awful. Danielle seems to open up more and enjoy herself more when she's not around Ashleigh!

 

I literally can't pick a favourite anymore. I adore Kim, but I feel she's just my favourite by default now just because she's not really done anything to piss me off, except let Steven use her and take advantage of her. :lol:

The advances Steven is putting on Kim is crazy scary! I find his behaviour towards her quite aggressive and controlling! :\

 

While Steven is coming across as creepy & full on, I think Kimberly is quite comfortable with the situation. I'm certain that Kimberly is the one who has the upper hand in their "relationship", not Steven.

 

I think I'm warming to Helen a bit more and think she's just lost as a person and someone who's a little misunderstood a lot of the time. What Christmas did to her was pretty shitty. He was clearly only doing it so he'd be seen as the more popular one outside of the house. I'm not excusing any of her past behaviour as she is incredibly aggressive in her arguments, but sometimes I don't think people give her a fair chance.

 

What, decide to have her as one of the three who didn't go to the party? (Correct me if I'm wrong and you're referring to something else). He could surely only go with how he felt - and was Helen more deserving than anyone else to attend? Not really. At the end of the day he had to pick 3 people to not attend, which wasn't a nice situation for him to be in, not made any easier by Helen's childish reaction. I don't think Christopher owes her any sort of explanation either. It's not as if Helen (or the other girls) justified their decision to not save Christopher from having to face being up for eviction - which in the grand scheme of things is far more important than being able to attend a silly Christmas themed party! Helen just acted like a child throwing her toys out of the pram over something pretty trivial. She was the one being shitty, not Christopher.

 

The moment with her and Ashleigh was actually pretty nice to see, and it was good to see that Ashleigh knew she's been a miserable bitch for the past 3 weeks. So she is self aware of herself. Still don't get why everyone's worshipping her though. She's awful. Danielle seems to open up more and enjoy herself more when she's not around Ashleigh!

 

I think it's clear that Ashleigh is changing tack at this stage. She must have rethought what the public attitude might be towards Helen following Matthew's eviction. Matthew was one of the only people who actively challenged Helen, making it clear he didn't much care for her, yet he was evicted, while Ash (a Helen ally) avoided eviction. Ashleigh wanted Ash gone, schemed to try and manipulate this to be the outcome, but failed. She noted in the diary room that the public might not have been on her side with this plan. Ashleigh may have decided that bitching about Helen and secretly scheming against her might not be her best tactic after all. Maybe she's now going for a "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" approach with Helen. I guess we'll see over the next few days!

 

I literally can't pick a favourite anymore. I adore Kim, but I feel she's just my favourite by default now just because she's not really done anything to piss me off, except let Steven use her and take advantage of her. :lol:

 

I honestly think that Kimberly is the worst female housemate in there currently - even worse than Helen (who for all her flaws is at least a relatively entertaining housemate and is a key figure in the house). Kimberly's really adding nothing at all. She's not particularly nice or fun, she's just... there, being nothingy. :unsure: If she attempts at any point in the near future to be anything more than one half of an incredibly dull showmance, then that would be quite something!

I wonder if the housemates can go one day without being provided alcohol :o

I haven't seen tonight's episode yet (so she may fall further down in my estimations) but I feel like Kimberly could be a great housemate. She's intriguing - I really don't get her at all and sometimes I'm not all that sure that she's actually human but she has a lot of potential :P. That's it though, it's all potential right now. She just needs to let go of whatever is holding her back with regard to being on TV (and get rid of Steven too) and express herself with more conviction.

What, decide to have her as one of the three who didn't go to the party? (Correct me if I'm wrong and you're referring to something else). He could surely only go with how he felt - and was Helen more deserving than anyone else to attend? Not really. At the end of the day he had to pick 3 people to not attend, which wasn't a nice situation for him to be in, not made any easier by Helen's childish reaction. I don't think Christopher owes her any sort of explanation either. It's not as if Helen (or the other girls) justified their decision to not save Christopher from having to face being up for eviction - which in the grand scheme of things is far more important than being able to attend a silly Christmas themed party! Helen just acted like a child throwing her toys out of the pram over something pretty trivial. She was the one being shitty, not Christopher.

I think this is what everybody seems to be misinterpreting, be it down to the editing or maybe some people just chose to hear and see certain parts of the way Helen was behaving just because they have silly preconceptions of how she deals with situations like that?

 

She wasn't annoyed because she wasn't getting to attend the party, she was annoyed because she felt as if she had grown pretty close to Christopher in the preceding days and that they'd actually found some sort of common ground with one another. So naturally, anybody would feel pretty wounded by not being chosen - you can say "oh my god don't take it so bloody personal", but it's not as if Christopher's exactly close to any of the people that he did choose to attend, is he?

 

Long may Helen remain the one person who people continue to take jabs at just because they cannot comprehend WHY. It's really embarrassing continually seeing posts on here calling her "It" and the likes, get the fuck over yourselves.

EDIT: Sorry another double post :(.

 

EDIT 2: @Calum: Again, I haven't seen the episode but it's none of her business who Christopher is close to. She's not entitled to be picked because she feels they're closer than he is with others - it's his decision and as a mature person, she needs to accept that without throwing a hissy fit. So many housemates have such a horrible sense of entitlement in this series.

Edited July 7, 201411 yr by Noahspike

I think this is what everybody seems to be misinterpreting, be it down to the editing or maybe some people just chose to hear and see certain parts of the way Helen was behaving just because they have silly preconceptions of how she deals with situations like that?

 

She wasn't annoyed because she wasn't getting to attend the party, she was annoyed because she felt as if she had grown pretty close to Christopher in the preceding days and that they'd actually found some sort of common ground with one another. So naturally, anybody would feel pretty wounded by not being chosen - you can say "oh my god don't take it so bloody personal", but it's not as if Christopher's exactly close to any of the people that he did choose to attend, is he?

 

Long may Helen remain the one person who people continue to take jabs at just because they cannot comprehend WHY. It's really embarrassing continually seeing posts on here calling her "It" and the likes, get the fuck over yourselves.

 

Yes I understood that much, but that still means she therefore thought she deserved to attend the party more than 3~ others, just because there had been a bit of progress between herself & Christopher (therefore she should totes have been chosen :drama: ). Christopher had to make a decision about something fairly trivial, and if his decision was for Helen not to attend, then that's that really. Helen taking it personally and consequently bitching behind his back instantly / making horrible comments like "wish I'd shaved his eyebrows off" just show that she wasn't so deserving after all.

 

He said that he appreciated that him & Helen had made some ground work in recent days, but nevertheless he was basing his decision on how everyone has been over the course of four weeks. He's lived with them all for a month now - we see 1 hour daily snapshots. Also, let's not forget the way Helen has been towards Christopher in the past is not very nice. Helen told Christopher at one point that she "didn't hold him in as high regard [to other housemates]". Perhaps Christopher is entitled to not hold Helen in as high a regard as the people he picked.

EDIT: Sorry another double post :(.

 

EDIT 2: @Calum: Again, I haven't seen the episode but it's none of her business who Christopher is close to. She's not entitled to be picked because she feels they're closer than he is with others - it's his decision and as a mature person, she needs to accept that without throwing a hissy fit. So many housemates have such a horrible sense of entitlement in this series.

Still though, I don't see anything wrong at all with her beginning to question whether or not he really felt the same way when they started to get quite close? Is it just because she has the balls to vocalise how she feels that she's suddenly in the wrong and has no right whatsoever to do so? Danielle was sitting in the bedroom acting all WTF re. his decision, why isn't she being penalised for this? Marlon went in a bit of a huff as soon as he saw the coal in his box, sat there with a face like shit.

 

People really are so contradictory and selective when it comes down to Helen, what she does, how she says/does things. It's not as if any of them in that house are any better than her whatsoever.

While Steven is coming across as creepy & full on, I think Kimberly is quite comfortable with the situation. I'm certain that Kimberly is the one who has the upper hand in their "relationship", not Steven.

Really? :o I really can't see it, but I can see that this "relationship" is non existent. I don't think she's comfortable at all (I think her body language is a bit too siff for someone who's "comfortable with the situation", but then again I'm no body language expert so I don't know :lol:

 

What, decide to have her as one of the three who didn't go to the party? (Correct me if I'm wrong and you're referring to something else). He could surely only go with how he felt - and was Helen more deserving than anyone else to attend? Not really. At the end of the day he had to pick 3 people to not attend, which wasn't a nice situation for him to be in, not made any easier by Helen's childish reaction. I don't think Christopher owes her any sort of explanation either. It's not as if Helen (or the other girls) justified their decision to not save Christopher from having to face being up for eviction - which in the grand scheme of things is far more important than being able to attend a silly Christmas themed party! Helen just acted like a child throwing her toys out of the pram over something pretty trivial. She was the one being shitty, not Christopher.

Yeah, but if he felt that they were beginning to build the bridges or whatever it was (and we had seen them actually start having a laugh with each other over the last few days) would it not have been best to keep building those bridges? I was surprised he gave the coal to her and not someone else tbh. Also surprised with his Danielle snub too, but I get his reasoning and she said she "understood that", but when asked by Helen and everyone else she was "confused as to why he didn't choose her".

 

Her reaction was perhaps a bit over dramatic and all a bit "toys out of the pram", but I really can't fault her for questioning why, personally. She felt betrayed by him I guess. She shouldn't have reacted as strongly as she did, but we're 4 weeks in now, we should have known how she'd react.

 

I think it's clear that Ashleigh is changing tack at this stage. She must have rethought what the public attitude might be towards Helen following Matthew's eviction. Matthew was one of the only people who actively challenged Helen, making it clear he didn't much care for her, yet he was evicted, while Ash (a Helen ally) avoided eviction. Ashleigh wanted Ash gone, schemed to try and manipulate this to be the outcome, but failed. She noted in the diary room that the public might not have been on her side with this plan. Ashleigh may have decided that bitching about Helen and secretly scheming against her might not be her best tactic after all. Maybe she's now going for a "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" approach with Helen. I guess we'll see over the next few days!

Maybe, but I still find her to be a glum, miserable bore. (Yes I'm saying that as a Kimberly fan :P) Seeing her dance and sing today was great. The first time I've seen her enjoy herself, properly. I just don't find her bitching very entertaining, personally. I just find it pretty vindictive and just generally harsh.

 

I honestly think that Kimberly is the worst female housemate in there currently - even worse than Helen (who for all her flaws is at least a relatively entertaining housemate and is a key figure in the house). Kimberly's really adding nothing at all. She's not particularly nice or fun, she's just... there, being nothingy. :unsure: If she attempts at any point in the near future to be anything more than one half of an incredibly dull showmance, then that would be quite something!

You see there's just SOMETHING about her (aside from her looks :P) that I find really, endearing and interesting about her and I don't know what it is! Noah is right in that she has SO much potential still and I feel it's only a matter of time! I also like how she hasn't bitched about anybody (the whole toilet convo was just her "observations" - which she was correct with iirc) and stayed incredibly loyal to her friend Danielle, who hasn't really stayed very loyal to Kim... Danielle really needs to stop trying and being someone who she's not. Really not buying this whole naive, Catholic "lady" persona, that she's got going for her. Yes she's been entertaining, but I find it sad that someone has to pretend to be someone else in order to further her career and get far in a reality tv show... :\

 

But that's all down to opinion I guess and it just doesn't work for me. Sorry :P

Still though, I don't see anything wrong at all with her beginning to question whether or not he really felt the same way when they started to get quite close? Is it just because she has the balls to vocalise how she feels that she's suddenly in the wrong and has no right whatsoever to do so? Danielle was sitting in the bedroom acting all WTF re. his decision, why isn't she being penalised for this? Marlon went in a bit of a huff as soon as he saw the coal in his box, sat there with a face like shit.

 

People really are so contradictory and selective when it comes down to Helen, what she does, how she says/does things. It's not as if any of them in that house are any better than her whatsoever.

 

I don't think anyone is saying Helen doesn't have the right to "vocalise" her views, but I think some of us wish she could do so in a more reasonable and less offensive way. She's so abrasive, reactionary and unkind with a lot of what she says and does. Her overall behaviour is... odd. (I would say childish, but I'm beginning to think that this description would be unfair towards children, lol). Essentially I find it really hard to understand how people can find her general ways of going on as being acceptable, reasonable adult behaviour, which makes her seem like a worthwhile housemate to throw your full support towards - to the extent of hating anyone who crosses her path.

 

Yes, she can say what she wants to (within reason~), but by the same token the other housemates are allowed to as well. It can't be one rule for Helen and another rule for the others. Case in point, Christopher. He was completely within his rights to make the decision that Helen would be 1 of 3 housemates not to attend the party. He had to disappoint any set of 3, that was Big Brother's stipulation. Holding this decision against him purely because him & Helen had made a little bit of progress is really unfair.

 

Christopher explained his reasons, but Helen dismissed them, took it completely personally, and resorted to slagging off & insulating Christopher behind his back. Surely that shows that any progress between them was founded on a very fragile basis, from Helen's side?

 

If Helen was truly hurt by Christopher not selecting her to attend the party (and therefore felt that this was an indication that "progress" in their relationship was not being reciprocated by Christopher) then there were ways and means for her to get to the bottom of this, which wouldn't have lead to such ill feeling on both sides. Christopher did his part by explaining his reasons, but Helen was immediately dismissive and didn't want to hear his reasons. That wasn't respectful or helpful. If she really felt that his explanation wasn't justifiable, then she could have played it quite differently. She should have pulled Christopher aside for a one to one chat, and explained how she felt offended by his "snub" in relation to how they'd been getting on better with each other. What she did do was hostile and counterproductive - she moaned and bitched behind his back. That's what is so, so frustrating about Helen. She doesn't help herself; she creates her own negative/bitchy/unfriendly environment, by flying off the handle and not being able to converse/listen. It's her worst trait.

 

In terms of this series, I don't think anyone could argue that Helen hasn't been a key figure, and maybe the proceedings would be a lot more dull without her. I don't think any viewers particularly want a harmonious house, and people obviously love to hate housemates, whichever "side" of an argument you choose. To be honest I don't even regard Helen as being the "worst" housemate in there currently. Some of the guys in there are total dead weight who think they're something special. At the very least Helen is getting us all talking and will be memorable, even if it's by and large for all the wrong reasons. Personally I feel like I've been fair towards Helen, based on all that I've seen of her. Sometimes I can vaguely entertain what her thought processes are in certain situations and how she may feel hard done by.

 

To end this post on a fairly positive note: I was quite touched when she was moved by Chris' "save me" speech, and I was amused by the task where she had to do clumsy things like spill water over herself / fall into the pool! She actually does have the potential to be an "all round" housemate if she could just calm down and think for a few moments before she speaks and acts. It really hasn't been all bad when it comes to her, but unfortunately most of the time she just loses me.

Really? :o I really can't see it, but I can see that this "relationship" is non existent. I don't think she's comfortable at all (I think her body language is a bit too siff for someone who's "comfortable with the situation", but then again I'm no body language expert so I don't know :lol:

 

To be fair she's been "stiff" for the entire time, so it's kind of hard to judge how she's feeling at any one time, I suppose! :lol: I think we know she has the capability to stand up for herself if she isn't comfortable though (for instance, when she called Marlon out on his behaviour while she was exercising [sigh, I miss that Kimberly!])

 

Yeah, but if he felt that they were beginning to build the bridges or whatever it was (and we had seen them actually start having a laugh with each other over the last few days) would it not have been best to keep building those bridges? I was surprised he gave the coal to her and not someone else tbh. Also surprised with his Danielle snub too, but I get his reasoning and she said she "understood that", but when asked by Helen and everyone else she was "confused as to why he didn't choose her".

 

Her reaction was perhaps a bit over dramatic and all a bit "toys out of the pram", but I really can't fault her for questioning why, personally. She felt betrayed by him I guess. She shouldn't have reacted as strongly as she did, but we're 4 weeks in now, we should have known how she'd react.

 

But what about his relationships with all the other housemates? That has to be taken into account! The simple fact of the matter is is that out of 11 housemates, he had to choose 8 to be allowed to attend the party, and 3 not to. That's an invidious position to be in, and there's surely no right or wrong 3 housemates for him to have chosen. He can't please them all, and I think his decision should be respected rather than being judged. All 11 of them could have potentially been confused as to why he didn't choose them. (Again, it comes back to this sense of entitlement all these housemates seem to have - they seem unable to take the rough with the smooth, and somehow all seem to forget that they're on Big Brother and it's Big Brother that is manipulating these situations!)

 

The thing is, yes, she is allowed to question why - but she didn't actually question him, and she didn't want to even hear his explanations either. She just immediately became offended by the situation and later questioned behind his back why he made the decision he did. Totally frustrating!

 

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Personally I'm not sensing what potential Kimberly has at all at the moment, as a personality. Yes, her expressions can be quite amusing in certain contexts (see Noah's signature!), but on the whole she's really not doing much of worth at all. Steven has been her downfall. The only way any of this potential is going to be unlocked is if she calls time on that "relationship".

 

Oh and you don't have to be sorry, we all have different opinions on housemates and can interpret things in different ways! It's been an incredibly divisive set of housemates this year, that's for sure!

 

Eek, I know my two posts have been very tl;dr, apologies, but I'm finding it very hard to be concise about all of this! Blame Helen. :kink:

I'm warming to Helen more and think she's just someone who's misunderstood a lot. What Christmas did to her was shitty. He was clearly only doing it so he'd be seen as the more popular one outside of the house. I'm excusing her past behaviour as I don't think people give her a fair chance. it was good to see that Ashleigh knew she's a miserable bitch. Still don't get why everyone's worshipping her though. She's awful.

hi calum how r u

 

(i took the liberty to do some redacting~)

Wow Helen is one disgusting little resentful bitch. GOOD GOD she's even more obnoxious than I thought. Going off because she FINALLY MADE SOME EFFORT with Christopher and he didn't actually take it as if Helen is doing him a favour by liking him now. OH MY GOD HELEN LIKES ME NOW I AM SO HAPPY I NEED TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE HER HAPPY!!11 Fucking get over it k?~

Genuinely want to puke when I see Steverly kissing.

Noah your signature is providing me with life :wub:

 

I'm still loving the duo between Danielle & Ashleigh. I genuinely think Ashleigh is by far one of my favourite ever housemates. Her accent :wub:

 

Ugh hate her Derry accent - its a N.West of Ireland accent - I hear it more often and its not :wub:

 

Also Steven going on about finding a house for them after its over :unsure: Bit awkward!!

Edited July 7, 201411 yr by steve201

Genuinely want to puke when I see Steverly kissing.

 

Lets not combine names.

 

It's so frustrating because Kimberley could have been a great housemate.

I realised I am SO over Kimberly in general. She proved herself to be rather useless and pairing up with Steven just made my decision final~

I KNEW Steven would nominate Ashleigh for that reason :lol: he legit just makes me cringe anytime he so much as mentions Kim.

 

BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET THE f*** OVER IT HELEN :manson:

 

BB won't be pulling the same editing tricks that saved Ash with Ashleigh then :/