I love all the ex #1s in the top 40 there is at least 14 of them :lol: not including Rixton's

NICOLE HAS BEEN ROBBED OF A TOP 3 FINISH WITH THE STUNNING YOUR LOVE AND ELLA WOULD HAVE NEARLY BEEN TOP 10 ON JUST SALES

 

I WASN'T THAT OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA OF STREAMING WHEN IT WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED BUT NOW I ALREADY BLOODY HATE IT

Calm down Nicole! :P

Another flop for Lily Allen, her comeback hasn't done so well especially the last 2 singles 43-93

welcome back to the chart gary barlow, unexpected.

Yes, poor ol Lily now has a flop instead of a chart hit, due to the amazing dullness of people streaming. The sales chart is much more exciting than the minor shuffling of the incredibly tedious combined chart now, such as the great Woodkid getting into the Top 75 sales following the world cup coverage. Enthusiastic music fans still buy and I will continue to regard the sales chart as the real chart for music fans.

Yes, because the difference between #60 and #93 really matters.

There was the same discussion with physical vs. downloads ~10 years ago.

 

"My faves don't chart that high any more I hate charts now!" :P

 

The more units are needed to chart, the more it reflects the taste of the public. Which is also the reason why I want streaming to be part of the album chart too.

 

It seems that the new Lana Del Rey album is mainly helping to sell the old Lana Del Rey album... Also Jake Bugg is doing much better with his debut. Interesting.

 

btw Ed Sheeran's x has 4 weeks now (the 1st post says 3)

Edited July 21, 201412 yr by SKOB

#60 and #93 is quite a large gap so it's quite disappointing for Lily that she's missed out on a top 75 hit I guess but it's no huge deal - it'll be straight out of the top 100 next week anyway. It's stupid to blame streaming, it was always obvious that it was gonna have a big impact on the lower end, it's just something we need to cope with.

There's a slight difference between now and 9 years ago. Back then, downloads slowed the charts down at a time they were so fast they desperately needed slowing. Whereas today the charts were terminally dull/slow enough without streaming. You basically can't even tell the difference.

 

I've accepted steaming but my only real objection to it is the fact that streams and sales are two completely different things and I don't see how the chart could be fairly compiled again no matter what ratio is used.

They are a bit different yes, but buying music in separate units is coming to an end (if we're thinking of masses) so charts MUST adapt to that as well.

I'm quite surprised MAGIC! are "only" #13 on streaming and that's enough to be #50 on the combined chart :o

Yes, because the difference between #60 and #93 really matters.

 

gets you in the Guinness Book of singles and counted as a "hit" in a list of total artist chart hits - 93 doesn't! Nobody remembers a record that peaked at 76..... :lol:

gets you in the Guinness Book of singles and counted as a "hit" in a list of total artist chart hits - 93 doesn't! Nobody remembers a record that peaked at 76..... :lol:

 

That's only because the Guinness book of hit singles has refused to recognise the fact the chart is now a top 100 for unknown reasons. Nobody but the most dedicated of chart geeks will remember a #60 peaking single either and the type that would would probably remember a #93 peaking single as well. It has appeared in a chart published freely on the OCC website, that makes it a 'hit' in the technical sense of the word IMO regardless of chart books still not considering the lower 25 to be 'official'.

 

'URL Badman' is going to be a one week wonder in the lower end of the chart regardless (as it's already out of the iTunes top 100 again), the difference is pretty unsubstantial. I really think you're just stretching for reasons to dislike streaming.

In tangentially related news the number of unique top 100 hits since the start of 2010 has now hit (exactly) 3,000, including 152 #1s, 397 top 5 hits, 632 top 10 hits, 916 top 20 hits, 1,442 top 40 hits and 2,379 top 75 hits. :magic:

That's only because the Guinness book of hit singles has refused to recognise the fact the chart is now a top 100 for unknown reasons. Nobody but the most dedicated of chart geeks will remember a #60 peaking single either and the type that would would probably remember a #93 peaking single as well. It has appeared in a chart published freely on the OCC website, that makes it a 'hit' in the technical sense of the word IMO regardless of chart books still not considering the lower 25 to be 'official'.

 

'URL Badman' is going to be a one week wonder in the lower end of the chart regardless (as it's already out of the iTunes top 100 again), the difference is pretty unsubstantial. I really think you're just stretching for reasons to dislike streaming.

 

You have to have a cut off point for charts and 75 was chosen in 1978, and there it's stayed. It's a case of definition of hit or flop, what is a hit what is a flop? You have to pick a chart position can't leave it floating...

 

People don't usually recall no. 60 hits no, but they turn up in the guinness/virgin books and get referenced, even if it's "oh I don't remember that one at all". If we're going to count numbers 76 to 100 (or 200) then why not retroactively do the same for all old charts (where records exist) and call them hits too...?

 

60 is a flop if youve had a number one, if it's a debut single by an unknown band, it's a (minor) hit. Given that records are being called "hits" without selling a copy, I think selling a few thousand copies of a track is still a pretty good achievement, once upon a time that would have been enough for top 20! aka "hit". B-)

I don't even know what your point is. What difference does it make to Lily Allen, anyone on BuzzJack, or anyone in the world where the song charted? It's a complete bomb whether its top 100 chart run is 60-x or 93-x - I doubt even her label gives a shit.

You have to have a cut off point for charts and 75 was chosen in 1978, and there it's stayed. It's a case of definition of hit or flop, what is a hit what is a flop? You have to pick a chart position can't leave it floating...

 

People don't usually recall no. 60 hits no, but they turn up in the guinness/virgin books and get referenced, even if it's "oh I don't remember that one at all". If we're going to count numbers 76 to 100 (or 200) then why not retroactively do the same for all old charts (where records exist) and call them hits too...?

 

60 is a flop if youve had a number one, if it's a debut single by an unknown band, it's a (minor) hit. Given that records are being called "hits" without selling a copy, I think selling a few thousand copies of a track is still a pretty good achievement, once upon a time that would have been enough for top 20! aka "hit". B-)

 

They didn't have to have a cutoff point when the chart expanded from a top 12, then again from a top 20, then a top 40, then a top 50. There's no reason they couldn't have expanded the definition of a hit again when the OCC expanded the chart to a top 100 in 2007. It'd be as simple as counting anything that was published in the official chart within the positions which were at the time the extent of the chart - they don't exactly retroactively count songs which 'would have been' top 75 from before the chart became a top 75. (Admittedly they probably couldn't do that even if they wanted to but that's besides the point).

 

Appearing slightly lower in the chart doesn't exactly take away from the fact that a song sold x amount of copies anyway? :P And IMO it can only be a good thing that songs can't go top 20 with 'a few thousand copies' any more. That may make the chart more 'interesting' but that's not really its purpose.

Loving the irony of a song about Nina Nesbitt, which isn't even a single, getting more weeks on the chart than any of her singles!

Singles:

 

New entries ([#] = number of chart singles for artist(s) in order listed):

#1 Rixton - Me And My Broken Heart [1]

#6 Nicole Scherzinger - Your Love [11^[A]]

#16 Ella Eyre - If I Go [6]

#30 Kove feat. Melissa Steel - Way We Are [1; 1]

#93 Lily Allen - URL Badman [18]

#94 Jungle - Time [1]

#99 Second Avenue - Rude [1] ^[B]

 

Re-entries:

#63 DJ Snake and Lil Jon - Turn Down For What [made available to download again]

#77 Drake feat. Majid Jordan - Hold On, We're Going Home [59p on iTunes]

#81 The 1975 - Chocolate [59p on iTunes]

#91 Avicii - Addicted To You

#98 Woodkid - Run Boy Run [used in World Cup final TV coverage]

#100 Lorde - Royals

 

New peaks within the top 100:

#23 Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud [from #25]

#24 Milky Chance - Stolen Dance [from #26]

#50 MAGIC! - Rude [from #76]

#58 Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong [from #72]

 

Dropping out (* = for the first time since entering):

#67 Ed Sheeran - All Of The Stars *

#80 Nero - Satisfy *

#82 Eminem feat. Nate Ruess - Headlights *

#83 Trey Songz feat. Nicki Minaj - Touchin, Lovin *

#85 Clean Bandit feat. Sharna Bass - Extraordinary *

#88 Ed Sheeran - The Man *

#91 Justin Timberlake - Not A Bad Thing *

#92 Demi Lovato feat. Cher Lloyd - Really Don't Care *

#96 Dolly Parton - Jolene

#97 Gorgon City feat. MNEK - Ready For Your Love *

#98 Daft Punk feat. Pharrell - Get Lucky

#99 Lana Del Rey - West Coast *

#100 Stevie Wonder - Superstition

 

Artists reaching new career peaks this week:

Jungle [**-94]

Kove [**-30]

MAGIC! [76-50]

Melissa Steel [**-30]

Milky Chance [26-24]

Nico & Vinz [72-58]

Rixton [**-1]

Second Avenue [**-99]

 

Albums:

 

New entries ([#] = number of chart albums for artist(s) in order listed):

#2 Morrissey - World Peace Is None Of Your Business [18^[C]]

#7 Jungle - Jungle [1]

#12 Judas Priest - Redeemer Of Souls [16]

#13 Rise Against - The Black Market [4]

#18 Jason Mraz - YES! [3]

#51 Slow Club - Complete Surrender [2]

#71 "Weird Al" Yankovic - Mandatory Fun [1]

#72 Josh Record - Pillars [1]

#84 Suicide Silence - You Can't Stop Me [1]

#99 Honeyblood - Honeyblood [1]

 

Re-entries:

#31 The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead [99p on Amazon/Google Play]

#62 Gary Barlow - Since I Saw You Last

#63 George Michael - Symphonica

#73 OneRepublic - Native [performance on BBC Live at Edinburgh Castle]

#77 Eagles - The Complete Greatest Hits

#94 Eminem - The Eminem Show

#95 Biffy Clyro - Opposites [T In the Park effect]

#100 Biffy Clyro - Only Revolutions [T In the Park effect]

 

New peaks within the top 100:

none

 

Dropping out (* = for the first time since entering):

#24 Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols

#28 Lewis Watson - The Morning *

#37 Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - CSNY 1974 *

#57 Monty Python - Monty Python Sings (Again) *

#58 Michael Jackson - Bad

#66 Midge Ure - Fragile *

#73 Metallica - Metallica

#76 Dolly Parton - The Very Best Of

#77 Hank Marvin - Hank *

#80 Hillsong Worship - No Other Name *

#82 Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory

#84 Stevie Wonder - The Definitive Collection

#91 Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons - Working My Way Back To You

#92 Kodaline - In A Perfect World

#93 The Black Keys - El Camino

#95 James - La Petite Mort

#96 Nirvana - Nirvana

#100 UB40 - The Very Best Of - 1980-2000

 

Artists reaching new career peaks this week:

"Weird Al" Yankovic [**-71]

Honeyblood [**-99]

Josh Record [**-72]

Jungle [**-7]

Rise Against [27-13]

Slow Club [70-51]

Suicide Silence [**-84]

 

Longest running entries (with an unbroken top 100 run since entering for the first time):

 

Singles:

1 73wks Bastille - Pompeii

2 60wks Robin Thicke feat. T.I. and Pharrell - Blurred Lines

3 53wks Avicii - Wake Me Up

4 50wks OneRepublic - Counting Stars

5 36wks Ellie Goulding - How Long Will I Love You

6 34wks Pharrell - Happy

7 32wks Idina Menzel - Let It Go

=8 29wks Kristen Bell, Agatha Lee Monn and Katie Lopez - Do You Want To Build A Snowman?

=8 29wks Pitbull feat. Ke$ha - Timber

10 26wks Clean Bandit feat. Jess Glynne - Rather Be

 

Albums:

1 93wks Ellie Goulding - Halcyon

2 72wks Bastille - Bad Blood

3 68wks Imagine Dragons - Night Visions

4 46wks The 1975 - The 1975

=5 45wks Arctic Monkeys - AM

=5 45wks London Grammar - If You Wait

7 44wks Avicii - True

8 43wks Kings Of Leon - Mechanical Bull

9 42wks HAIM - Days Are Gone

=10 39wks James Blunt - Moon Landing

=10 39wks Katy Perry - PRISM

 

Notes:

^[A] +10 as a member of Pussycat Dolls; +1 as a member of Artists For Haiti

^[B] Cover version of yet-to-be-released track by MAGIC!

^[C] +14 as a member of The Smiths

Only just noticed that Clubland 25 only debuted at No.5! I swear those albums always used to go to No.1, especially in the summer when compeition is low. I can't believe it couldn't shift 20k, and in fact probably only did about 10k, disaster! The albums have completely lost their USP, they used to be a showcase for all of AATW's artists with exclusive tracks that you couldn't get anywhere else. Now they're just all the latest dance hits/remixes with a token Cascada track thrown in every time.