October 19, 201410 yr Clearly not seeing the difference between being designed as a hit and desperate right there. In this thread, being desperate was described as trying to save a career in decline? Doesn't that fit Nelly in 2010 and Sean Paul in 2011/12!?
October 19, 201410 yr In this thread, being desperate was described as trying to save a career in decline? Doesn't that fit Nelly in 2010 and Sean Paul in 2011/12!? To me, neither released music miles differently to what they'd done previously. Everything evolves. You could state any comeback to music is desperate.
October 19, 201410 yr Goodies is contentious, but hear me out. Six months before it was released, Yeah by Usher smashed around the globe. Lil Jon produced it and championed the new crunk genre, so naturally he also produced Goodies. As an artist starting out, Ciara would have been desperate for a hit and would she have achieved one without jumping on the 'crunk' bandwagon? Its a bit like how Kid Ink and Tinashe got hits mainly thanks to DJ Mustards production. For someone who has been renowned as 'the Princess of Crunk', her starting out with a crunk song is hardly desperate.
October 19, 201410 yr People also seem to be missing the basic point here that essentially every major label artist is desperate for a hit. The issue is whether that desperation is obvious or leads to a track which is implausible or ridiculous compared to what came before in an attempt to get that hit.
October 19, 201410 yr Remedy was from her debut album and surely already a surefire single so not sure how that is desperate. Perhaps if it was from a second album at that time?
October 19, 201410 yr Loreen - My Heart Is Refusing Me (UK Radio Edit) Really? I thought it was a great follow up in the style of Euphoria as well as the rest of her album? Edited October 19, 201410 yr by *Tim
October 19, 201410 yr Really? I thought it was a great follow up in the style of Euphoria as well as the rest of her album? When you listen to the original compared with the horrifyingly unsubtle remix which basically just hammered all the beauty of the original out of it, I think it was pretty desperate on the label's part.
October 19, 201410 yr Remedy was from her debut album and surely already a surefire single so not sure how that is desperate. Perhaps if it was from a second album at that time? "Little Boots composed "Remedy" in Los Angeles with RedOne over a two-day period. She initially found working with RedOne intimidating because their collaboration was expected to produce a hit song." Frankly, compared with her quirky minimalist electropop style, it sticks out like a sore thumb on the album. Definitely a desperate move on the label's part.
October 20, 201410 yr I thought Olly Murs' collaboration with Flo Rida for Troublemaker was a fairly cynical attempt to break the USA, and I wonder if his collab with Demi Lovato is going to be a fairly cynical attempt to continue that. I like Olly, I loved 'Dance With Me Tonight' which whilst very obviously in the mould of old school motown style music wasn't very in keeping with what was in the charts etc. At the same time Olly had just come off the back of a very successful 2nd album and was popular on the Xtra Factor so perhaps desperate is the wrong word. Imma go with cynical instead.
October 20, 201410 yr It's not so much the songs but The Vamps' reluctance to release post-album singles without an added featured artist (not once but twice) reeks of desperation. Of course it was a good move in terms of ensuring high chart peaks ('Somebody To You' may have made the top 10 anyway a la 'Amnesia' but 'Oh Cecilia (Breaking My Heart)' almost certainly wouldn't have) but still rather roll-eye-worthy.
October 20, 201410 yr Not so sure that featuring Shawn Mendes made much difference in the UK given that he was relatively unknown (at least compared to Demi), but I agree with the fact that it tempts buyers who already have the album to purchase a reworked track and hence increase it's chart chances.
October 20, 201410 yr At least the OCC are doing the same as they did for the Vamps/Demi Lovato re-working and ignoring the "featured" artist on the charts.
October 20, 201410 yr At least the OCC are doing the same as they did for the Vamps/Demi Lovato re-working and ignoring the "featured" artist on the charts. This is actually inconsistent with what they normally do though, annoyingly. I'm not sure why they've decided to change their mind on this matter for The Vamps.
October 21, 201410 yr People also seem to be missing the basic point here that essentially every major label artist is desperate for a hit. The issue is whether that desperation is obvious or leads to a track which is implausible or ridiculous compared to what came before in an attempt to get that hit. This is exactly what I understood "desperate" to be defined as.
October 24, 201410 yr The Corrs - Would You Be Happier? It sounded so jarring in their catalogue when it came out, I thought In Blue was poppy for them but this was pure cheddar and they were clearly hoping to win over a younger audience with the song/video/general image. That's the weird thing with the token new singles from Best Of collections though, it's almost as if they're produced to sound like hits so that they merit their inclusion on the album, yet they very rarely are that big! S Club - Alive A blatant attempt to recapture the magic of Don't Stop Movin' which reeked of desperation after they struggled to remain composed following Paul's departure and the name change. Lisa Scott-Lee - Electric Self explanatory.
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