quick summary:

 

People think May is slightly less crap than Corbyn, just the same as the General Election.

 

People think the handling of Brexit is slightly less crap from the Tories than Labour.

 

Corbyn thinks the Single Market is a no-no despite his supporters not agreeing, on the basis that his policies can't be carried through from within the Single market. I'd love to see exactly which policies these are that his delusions believe he will be able to carry through when he doesn't get elected by not listening to his core supporters....

Well, there's renationalisation of the railways that wouldn't be allowed. After all, it's not as if that very policy was carried out by the Tories a week or two ago. Oh, wait....

Or that half our failing franchises that the public are begging to be nationalised are run by the German and Dutch governments

Well, there's renationalisation of the railways that wouldn't be allowed. After all, it's not as if that very policy was carried out by the Tories a week or two ago. Oh, wait....

 

Except that legislation doesn't come in until December 2018. :P

 

Member States have time until December 2018 to transpose the Governance Directive in national legislation

So the EU wants to ban nationalisation then DoctorBlind? As that would actually make me reconsider my position r.e Europe.

That the EU would prohibit the UK from re-nationalising the railways was one of the points that was brought up during the EU referendum (it was mentioned in Andrew Neil's interview with Jeremy Corbyn pre-vote in 2016). However, I'm yet to see any firm and reliable sources confirming that to be the case, unless Doctor Blind can point me in the right direction.

So the EU wants to ban nationalisation then DoctorBlind? As that would actually make me reconsider my position r.e Europe.

 

While I'm not a fan of nationalisation in principle, it is an example of the sort of EU economic interference that made me a Leaver in the first place.

So the EU wants to ban nationalisation then DoctorBlind? As that would actually make me reconsider my position r.e Europe.

No, just state run monopolies. State owned companies will be required to bid for franchises like they are in the UK. An example of how this can be achieved is the Ferry services in Scotland. The Ferries to the northern islands are run by a private firm. The ferries to the west are run by Calmac after beating Serco at tender. Serco are a massive carillon type organisation, Calmac is a subsidiary of the Scottish Government.

No, just state run monopolies. State owned companies will be required to bid for franchises like they are in the UK. An example of how this can be achieved is the Ferry services in Scotland. The Ferries to the northern islands are run by a private firm. The ferries to the west are run by Calmac after beating Serco at tender. Serco are a massive carillon type organisation, Calmac is a subsidiary of the Scottish Government.

 

and if there are no bidders who feel they can do the job profitably then it's down to the government. providing the legislation allows government-owned staff to bid (which the UK councils usually dont allow, though the Thatcher/Major years did) as if they were private sector then effectibely its the same thing as they arent owned by money-bleeding investors which is always the kiss of death for private companies taking on huge government work. They always cock it up with worse standards in exchange for better profits for shareholders and use crap contracts written by people with no skills in the areas of concern to get rich off the taxpayer.

 

Whinge over. I've been involved in writing contracts for local government staff-won contracts (great standards, reduced costs for taxpayers) and not involved in shit contracts with Mouchel/Kier, who errr werent up to scratch (they were let go after 5 years amid claims of it being a resounding success as we bought back remaining staff inhouse). I can't quote figures as they are "financially sensitive". I know what went on though.

Voters think the House of Lords is outdated, out of touch and wrong to thwart Brexit, poll reveals

 

Poll shows 76 per cent of voters say peers are out of tune with the general public

The House of Lords has angered Britons with recent defeats on the Brexit bill

Peers have defied conventions over voting in line with a Government manifesto

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-57...art-Brexit.html

 

For those who don't want to read the narrative, here are just the poll results in graph form...

 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/...27031409653.jpg

Edited May 23, 20187 yr by vidcapper

Voters think the House of Lords is outdated, out of touch and wrong to thwart Brexit, poll reveals

 

Poll shows 76 per cent of voters say peers are out of tune with the general public

The House of Lords has angered Britons with recent defeats on the Brexit bill

Peers have defied conventions over voting in line with a Government manifesto

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-57...art-Brexit.html

 

For those who don't want to read the narrative, here are just the poll results in graph form...

 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/...27031409653.jpg

 

The same numbers of people tend to think that there are too many local gov employees, too many MP's too many councillors etc etc etc.

 

This is a Daily Mail commissioned poll for a regular Daily Mail Enemies Of Brexit front page.

 

Yes people think it should be reformed (we still need a second house) and it should be proportional representation alternating between general elections. That would still mean numbers would giver more minority parties more say and the results would be the same and the Daily Mail headlines would still be the same (remember the Enemies of The People - MP's, Judges etc - headlines?)

The same numbers of people tend to think that there are too many local gov employees, too many MP's too many councillors etc etc etc.

 

This is a Daily Mail commissioned poll for a regular Daily Mail Enemies Of Brexit front page.

 

Yes people think it should be reformed (we still need a second house) and it should be proportional representation alternating between general elections. That would still mean numbers would giver more minority parties more say and the results would be the same and the Daily Mail headlines would still be the same (remember the Enemies of The People - MP's, Judges etc - headlines?)

 

I'm unsure what difference the source would make in this context, given that you yourself seem open to the idea of HoL reform? :huh:

I'm unsure what difference the source would make in this context, given that you yourself seem open to the idea of HoL reform? :huh:

 

I do. However I don't consider them treacherous Enemies Of The People as The daily mail does on alternate Thursdays except when it's supporting a cause they believe in in which case it's 3 Cheers for the Traditional Defenders of Decent Values and standing up against those treacherous MP's Enemies Of the People. Hypocrites in other words, get what they want (Brexit, Rule Of law handed over to british courts, Parliament having sovereignty) and then do nothing but bloody whinge about it for 2 years the hypocritical slags...

 

(I say slags not in a literal sense, I mean who would want to shag them (?!) but in a sense where they are willing to do and say anything with anyone they see as supporting their basic cause to make the rich richer. The owner is domiciled in France dontchaknow, he SO loves the UK and SO hates Europe....)

 

Or to be very clear, it's just part of their ongoing attempts to slag off anyone who doesn't believe The Daily mail should have the final say on what sort of Brexit we end up with (ie The Very hardest Possible), rather than reforms in the House Of Lords which they could have promoted at any time in the last 80 years and haven't because it most likely would mean another sets of elections for a second house which has more powers than the House Of Lords when it comes to legislation and blocking. If they were blocking far-left reforms of a Corbyn Government, of course, then the HofL would be treated like Gods...

(I say slags not in a literal sense, I mean who would want to shag them (?!) but in a sense where they are willing to do and say anything with anyone they see as supporting their basic cause to make the rich richer.

 

Now you are sounding like Queef. ;)

 

Now you are sounding like Queef. ;)

 

You've said that before. I am, if anything, known far and wide by family, friends and work colleagues who pretty much love and respect me (modesty can go f*** itself!) as someone with an innate sense of fairness and compassion, a thoroughly nice bloke - but one who calls a spade a spade when he sees a lying bunch of spades digging troughs to hide their ill-gotten gains in.

 

The newspaper proprietor could always move back to the UK and live here and see how the headlines in the Mail differ. I call them slags, they call Judges, MP's and anyone who has doesn't follow their propaganda "Traitors".

 

Which is the bigger insult? I know I'm a slag but I'm not a traitor, and proud of it :P

You've said that before. I am, if anything, known far and wide by family, friends and work colleagues who pretty much love and respect me (modesty can go f*** itself!) as someone with an innate sense of fairness and compassion, a thoroughly nice bloke - but one who calls a spade a spade when he sees a lying bunch of spades digging troughs to hide their ill-gotten gains in.

 

The newspaper proprietor could always move back to the UK and live here and see how the headlines in the Mail differ. I call them slags, they call Judges, MP's and anyone who has doesn't follow their propaganda "Traitors".

 

Which is the bigger insult? I know I'm a slag but I'm not a traitor, and proud of it :P

 

Isn't there something of a contradiction here - the EU is all about internationalism, which must necessarily include the right of non-Britons to invest in this country (except in newspapers, apparently). :unsure:

 

As for people making money, surely you don't have a problem with that - so presumably it's more a matter of the ethics of how they do it?

Isn't there something of a contradiction here - the EU is all about internationalism, which must necessarily include the right of non-Britons to invest in this country (except in newspapers, apparently). :unsure:

 

As for people making money, surely you don't have a problem with that - so presumably it's more a matter of the ethics of how they do it?

 

1. No contradiction at all. Ever country makes it's own rules regarding foreign billionaires pushing propaganda and buying up huge swathes of the businesses of each country. We happen to love rich foreign billionaires telling us what to do. That is a choice. It's NOT investment, cos most newspapers dont make much in the way of profits (if any at all) so they must have other agendas...

 

2. Have I ever said I have a problem with people making money? I do however have a problem with people avoding taxes that all of us non-rich people have to pay, and shafting pension schemes and the like. Don't you?

1. No contradiction at all. Ever country makes it's own rules regarding foreign billionaires pushing propaganda and buying up huge swathes of the businesses of each country. We happen to love rich foreign billionaires telling us what to do.

 

2. Have I ever said I have a problem with people making money? I do however have a problem with people avoding taxes that all of us non-rich people have to pay, and shafting pension schemes and the like. Don't you?

 

1. Whose this 'we' you are talking about - surely if we were happy about it, we wouldn't have voted for Brexit?

 

2. That's why I posted my comment as a question, rather than a statement. And I wouldn't have even mentioned the ethical aspect if I wasn't against unethical business practices - I assumed that would be blindingly obvious to anyone here!

Moving my reply to this to EU thread as it's gone diverting again...

A new YouGov poll has suggested that 48% of people in the C2DE demographics would support the Tories in the next election, up from 35% from January. The Conservatives becoming the party most supported by the working classes is something quite odd indeed.

 

Full data.

These are fake polls. They are fake establishment news.