And it was Lynne Featherstone, a Lib Dem minister, who led on that, not Cameron.

 

Cameron claimed it in his Biography!

Cameron claimed it in his Biography!

Yes. He's lying. Strange how the policies he claims as the coalition's biggest successes tend to have come from the Lib Dems.

Not painful for you at all Simon 😁

Lib Dems should neeever have got into bed with the mendaxious, lying, evil Tories! They just care about power and the elite and the media, ownrd by the elite, will help them every step of the way. It was obvious to everyone but Clegg that the Lib Dems were about to have their essence consumed by the evil Tories and dumped behind like a discarded insect shell. They either needed to side with Labour - and Gordon WOULD have changed the voting system without the Tory obfuscation and deceipt on it - and not have required the LDs to renege so much on their tuition fees policies, forever losing their student base - oe make them re-do the election.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/n...OPhojgiiW3Vem3E

 

Sweet Mary and Jesus!!!!

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/n...OPhojgiiW3Vem3E

 

Sweet Mary and Jesus!!!!

 

Talk about not living in the real world!

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/n...OPhojgiiW3Vem3E

 

Sweet Mary and Jesus!!!!

 

It just gets worse and worse! So deluded my goodness. I really do hope once the public start to wake the f*** up at some point, but I have no hope. :(

Liz Truss doesn't have a clue.

 

I dunno about not having a clue but like most Tories she knows that starting culture wars will guarantee the Conservative's even more electoral success. She gave a particularly repellent speech around Christmas time bizarrely claiming that when she was growing up she couldn't learn anything stating "While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write." That speech was praised to high heaven by the right of the Tory party although was taken down from the government website shortly afterwards. She also has failed to advance the rights of trans people in comparison to other countries.

 

You would think as the Secretary of State for International Trade she would be busy enough promoting pork markets and British cheese but she's also completely unsuited to Equalities role. Scarily though in a poll from the influential Conservative Home website she is top minister by miles. And let's not even start on Kemi Badenoch who thinks about having exemption on gay conversion ban for faith groups when they are primarily all done by faith groups.

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I dunno about not having a clue but like most Tories she knows that starting culture wars will guarantee the Conservative's even more electoral success. She gave a particularly repellent speech around Christmas time bizarrely claiming that when she was growing up she couldn't learn anything stating "While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write." That speech was praised to high heaven by the right of the Tory party although was taken down from the government website shortly afterwards. She also has failed to advance the rights of trans people in comparison to other countries.

 

You would think as the Secretary of State for International Trade she would be busy enough promoting pork markets and British cheese but she's also completely unsuited to Equalities role. Scarily though in a poll from the influential Conservative Home website she is top minister by miles. And let's not even start on Kemi Badenoch who thinks about having exemption on gay conversion ban for faith groups when they are primarily all done by faith groups.

 

Yeah but this is half the problem, a good 40-50% of the electorate is conservative. These radical left wing policies are great on paper but the electorate don't want them. Not saying it is right, but it feeds in to this culture wars. Trump was great at this too blaming everything on the Hollywood elite but then forgetting that these people are actually paid pittances compared to some bankers and managing directors.

 

NHS staff, but nurses in particular deserve way more than the 1% pay increase. Not saying I agree with the 12% that is being banded around either, but fuk me we have a massive derth on nurses in our country, lack of bursaries and grants to help with the training and for the trauma and emotional stress they have to go through on a daily basis, an increase at least in line with inflation is the least they deserve.

What radical left policies? Corbyn's policies were incredibly popular with the electoeatw, even forcing the evil Tories to the left economically! Not being neoliberal does not = radical left.

What radical left policies? Corbyn's policies were incredibly popular with the electoeatw, even forcing the evil Tories to the left economically! Not being neoliberal does not = radical left.

 

So incredibly popular they couldn't score an electorate win though, which is my point. Economically I think we are far more liberal or certainly willing to be far less conservative, but socially the electorate is way more conservative. I don't want to derail the thread which raises some good discussion points.

These radical left wing policies are great on paper but the electorate don't want them.

 

The 2017 GE and the biggest % increase in vote share for a party since Attlee in 1945 suggests otherwise.

 

Plus Johnson and Sunak basically adopting half of McDonnell's policies. :lol:

I think the Tories adopting half of the platform, and what the BBC then called 'broadband communism' starting to look more and more like a necessary step forward shows that the 2019 Labour policies were popular and ahead of their time but just weren't given the right media prism against the then dominating Brexit issue.

 

It's a meme but I think 'we won the argument' is coming true. Britain (as it is at the moment, I think it's changing more and more) likes economically left policies and socially right ones, the latter dominating is why the Tories have dominated for so long but socially left ideals are on the uptick and all instances of the Tories aiming for culture war is a sign that they're slowly losing that social battle.

I think the Tories adopting half of the platform, and what the BBC then called 'broadband communism' starting to look more and more like a necessary step forward shows that the 2019 Labour policies were popular and ahead of their time but just weren't given the right media prism against the then dominating Brexit issue.

 

It's a meme but I think 'we won the argument' is coming true. Britain (as it is at the moment, I think it's changing more and more) likes economically left policies and socially right ones, the latter dominating is why the Tories have dominated for so long but socially left ideals are on the uptick and all instances of the Tories aiming for culture war is a sign that they're slowly losing that social battle.

 

The shift in 1979 was undeniable, we've seen a similar reversal since 2008 and the GFC.

 

I think the Conservatives have recognised just how much support these policies command in the general public, and like the shapeshifters that they are have calculated that by quietly adopting some of them they can form a sizable electoral base from which to govern for decades to come. You could argue that the pandemic forced their hand slightly, but the move to end austerity was already there in their 2019 manifesto with a promise to increase the size of the state by the most of a Conservative government since Harold Macmillan. Johnson's Conservative party is a huge break and shift from that of the Osborne/Hammond eras.

 

It will be interesting to see what result Labour pull in at the locals - I'm thinking probably not a good one.

I dunno about not having a clue but like most Tories she knows that starting culture wars will guarantee the Conservative's even more electoral success. She gave a particularly repellent speech around Christmas time bizarrely claiming that when she was growing up she couldn't learn anything stating "While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write." That speech was praised to high heaven by the right of the Tory party although was taken down from the government website shortly afterwards. She also has failed to advance the rights of trans people in comparison to other countries.

 

You would think as the Secretary of State for International Trade she would be busy enough promoting pork markets and British cheese but she's also completely unsuited to Equalities role. Scarily though in a poll from the influential Conservative Home website she is top minister by miles. And let's not even start on Kemi Badenoch who thinks about having exemption on gay conversion ban for faith groups when they are primarily all done by faith groups.

Liz Truss was born in 1975. Therefore, her entire school career was under a Tory government.

The shift in 1979 was undeniable, we've seen a similar reversal since 2008 and the GFC.

 

I think the Conservatives have recognised just how much support these policies command in the general public, and like the shapeshifters that they are have calculated that by quietly adopting some of them they can form a sizable electoral base from which to govern for decades to come. You could argue that the pandemic forced their hand slightly, but the move to end austerity was already there in their 2019 manifesto with a promise to increase the size of the state by the most of a Conservative government since Harold Macmillan. Johnson's Conservative party is a huge break and shift from that of the Osborne/Hammond eras.

 

It will be interesting to see what result Labour pull in at the locals - I'm thinking probably not a good one.

 

They are indeed shapeshifters and are pretending to adopt the economic policies - I'm sure though as their raison d'etre is the protection of the elite at the expense of the rest, they are only paying lip service and are not going to do any meaningful redistribution of wealth. Plus this is from a base of a decade of austerity where they have cut welfare and public spending to shreds.

It's a meme but I think 'we won the argument' is coming true. Britain (as it is at the moment, I think it's changing more and more) likes economically left policies and socially right ones, the latter dominating is why the Tories have dominated for so long but socially left ideals are on the uptick and all instances of the Tories aiming for culture war is a sign that they're slowly losing that social battle.

 

Oh there's no doubt that amongst the young are far more progressive than any generation before them but I'm not sure if the Tories are losing the battle. They and their friends in the media are whipping up an aggressive war on the younger generation and social media has enabled every Tom, Dick and Sally to spout racist, homophobic, transphobic stuff everywhere including a sinister assault on university campuses. The very worrying thing is that the FPTP electoral system now blatantly favours them (with progressive votes heaped up in cities and reactionary votes spread evenly around the rest) - this will get worse with the boundary reforms and the enforcement of photo ID checks for voting to address a non existent ID fraud. They can do a huge amount of damage in the next decade or so (helped with a swelling media including the new GB news) and the Labour leader is too scared of his own shadow to counter any of that.

 

I don't want to be a portent of doom and one positive thing about this government is that they seem to react to pressure and U turn at the drop of the hat for some issues (apart from Brexit), look at Rashford's campaigning. But think things socially will get a lot worse before they get better.

The 2017 GE and the biggest % increase in vote share for a party since Attlee in 1945 suggests otherwise.

 

Plus Johnson and Sunak basically adopting half of McDonnell's policies. :lol:

 

I know which is great, but then the 2017 election is almost 4 years ago and still did not result in a majority. Then we have also had the 2019 election, where Labour performed as bad as they have ever done in generations. Certainly the electorate are economically very liberal for the most part, while I think people can accept a year or two of balancing the books, for the most part the electorate want increased public spending. The electorate is still dominantly conservative with their views.

I'm connected with Jayne on facebook actually. She made a statement to the effect that she couldn't justify working every day with people who had such a basic lack of knowledge.

 

Jayne is also a Christian so it's not even like she's a crazy extreme liberal or anything. (not that I would have a problem with that!) That's worth keeping in mind. These are people who are small-c conservative anyway, maybe quite traditional, except for being LGBTQ, and EVEN THEY are being turned away by the views and actions of the Tories they are working with.

BBTory is following its Tory masters' orders and have axed The Mash Report. This follow the super Tory new chairman last year complaining about left wing comedians.