The people who are literally immigrants or who are of an ethnic ancestry that voted leave are the biggest twats of all! case in point the the guys at 4:03 & 5:18

 

I feel ashamed to live in the same city as people like that.

 

If the new PM is planning an election within the next nine months or so, he or she will avoid doing anything too controversial in that time. They will claim to be concentrating on the EU negotiations. That will make it even more likely that the Tories win an increased majority in that election. Then they will unleash the extreme right-wing policies they somehow forgot to tell us about at the election.

 

Johnathon Powell made a good alternative point on Newsnight there saying that people have def voted against something but nobody really knows what so there should be a mandate chosen by each party and a general election before the end of the year and each party would have to put their vision forward meaning the Labour Party or any other could simply campaign on a pro EU front and if they win they could negotiate and stay in.

I never showed much sympathy to people off in hard times before, but now I just have no sympathy, especially in no-mark Northern towns. As a Northern boy this makes me sick, but to not even consider that leaving the EU is going to make the poorest harder is just ridiculous. People have essentially voted for their own austerity cuts over the next 3 years. The same people that moan about how they're so hard done by, are likely the same ones that pissed about in school. I went to a school in a deprived area so I see it myself.

No they're traitors. f*** democracy on a vote like this, it's not like we can change our minds in 5 years time. This is it now, we're gone. People that voted leave had their own reasons of course, but the people I've spoken to believe in all the lies. Muslims, WW2, immigrants, democracy. All absolute hearsay. It is absolutely ridiculous that a large majority of people that voted for this will be dead by the time Article 50 comes in to full effect.

 

Young people should be kicking and screaming.

 

Toys totally out of pram and flying and hitting everything....in fact the prams just been tipped over :(

Did anyone else not find it surreal that Mark Carney had to talk up the economy this morning and not the chancellor? I mean this really feels like the zombie administration they are talking it up as.

Toys totally out of pram and flying and hitting everything....in fact the prams just been tipped over :(

 

I work in a market that is going to be effected by us leaving the EU. If I lose my job, I will cause hell.

 

I just hope anyone that voted leave loses their job first.

 

There is a huge need to have a general election next spring, and the invoking of Article 50 should wait until that time - such that the elected government (whoever that is) has campaigned on a clear proposal and strategy to the British public for the terms of the exit from the EU and what the next steps are.

 

Rooney - you seem to only favour democracy when the public voice is in line with your own? Have you thought about emigrating to a dictatorship?

For a man whose only job outside politics was in PR, Cameron screwed this up really badly. In normal circumstances, his announcement that he would not be contesting the 2020 election as leader was a reasonable one, in line with Blair's similar announcement before the 2005 election. However, to do so knowing that he might be obliged to call a referendum which would see his party split down the middle was unbelievably stupid. It left the way open for the half of his party campaigning against him to call him a liar, an accusation they may have been less willing to make if they faced the prospect of having it quoted back at them at the next election.

 

He gambled the future of this country in a bid to save his career. Now he looks like he might have managed to lose both.

 

He will be remembered as the worst PM ever IMO - he was a lucky PM but his luck just ran out.

There is a huge need to have a general election next spring, and the invoking of Article 50 should wait until that time - such that the elected government (whoever that is) has campaigned on a clear proposal and strategy to the British public for the terms of the exit from the EU and what the next steps are.

 

Rooney - you seem to only favour democracy when the public voice is in line with your own? Have you thought about emigrating to a dictatorship?

 

Democracy when it is for the greater good. Losing jobs is not for the greater good. Having a referendum with anyone allowed to print what they like whether it was true of false, it just downright unacceptable. If the campaign was regulated and used with actual facts then I would have been fine. This was too important a decision to be made by people who don't understand the consequences of their actions. People have made their bed and they can sleep in it as far as I'm concerned. I'm a bitter human being, I take great pride in it. I can't accept when people make bad choices that directly affect me.

He will be remembered as the worst PM ever IMO - he was a lucky PM but his luck just ran out.

 

I don't think he was great, but I don't think he was bad either. I don't believe many people could have done a better job. Just like the next Prime Minister is going to be terribly unpopular trying to steer our country through economic uncertainty. At least people can't blame it on the EU this time.

Here are some salient points from Owen Jones

 

The contempt – and sometimes snobbery – now being shown about leavers on social media was already felt by these communities, and contributed to this verdict. Millions of Britons feel that a metropolitan elite rules the roost which not only doesn’t understand their values and lives, but actively hates them. If Britain is to have a future, this escalating culture war has to be stopped. The people of Britain have spoken. That is democracy, and we now have to make the country’s verdict work.

 

More here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ieve?CMP=twt_gu

Did anyone else not find it surreal that Mark Carney had to talk up the economy this morning and not the chancellor? I mean this really feels like the zombie administration they are talking it up as.

 

Osborne's credibility is near zero at the moment.

 

Not that Mark Carney is any better - he has been going on about 'interest rate rises' for about 2 and a half years now, and yet they remain at record emergency levels of 0.5% for the 88th consecutive month. Healthy growing economy? Er, no.

^ But it's a protest vote, fair enough vote against the government, but the EU is not the problem. Sure they're an easy target for the blame to be shifted. Times are hard and the worse off have made things even harder for themselves. It is sheer stupidity. The people I know that voted leave are from a poor background or are rich people disconnected from the way the world works and live in rural areas. Easy to blame the working class, but the blame lies across multiple social classes.

I never showed much sympathy to people off in hard times before, but now I just have no sympathy, especially in no-mark Northern towns.

 

 

I work in a market that is going to be effected by us leaving the EU. If I lose my job, I will cause hell.

 

With respect, don't you see the contradiction here? You admit you're not very concerned about the poor - that's totally up to you, but in that case you can't expect the poor to altruistically vote to save your own job and livelihood. It's a two-way street.

 

The bottom line is, this is Thatcher's individualistic society (continued ever since by governments of both parties) eating itself. For 30 years, much of the middle-class has just voted on the basis of "me me me", whoever advances their own career prospects and keeps their taxes lowest - without any concern for the jobs they were voting to throw poor people out of (mining, heavy industries, public sector), or without concern for the public services or benefits they were voting to cut from others. Now the working-class are getting in on the act, and are relishing the chance to (as they perceive it) advance their own interests at the expense of the middle-class. It's a sad and counterproductive state of affairs, but it's going to continue until the political class start to actually make the economy deliver for everyone, get a sense of "society" going again and make the selfish attitudes go away.

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There is a huge need to have a general election next spring, and the invoking of Article 50 should wait until that time - such that the elected government (whoever that is) has campaigned on a clear proposal and strategy to the British public for the terms of the exit from the EU and what the next steps are.

 

Rooney - you seem to only favour democracy when the public voice is in line with your own? Have you thought about emigrating to a dictatorship?

Russia is a nice place to start. We seem like a democracy but in fact everything is already decided months in advance. Convenient shit

I'm waiting to return to the UK with a sick feeling. I also am very bitter. I am very socially minded but everyone I spoke to about leave who made their mind up instantly were not interested in facts or what that meant for the country or other people. I am not going to let any of them individually moan to me about their lot in life if things take a turn for the even worse. They made their choice. Two wrongs do not make a right and blaming other innocent people no matter WHAT they have gone through that they think justifies their attitude is unforgivable. Going through hard Times for years and years is no excuse. It's understandable. But it's no excuse for ignorance and racism. I speak as one who has known abject poverty and long term unemployment and worked years in low paying shit jobs.

 

I never blamed anyone but the politicians who caused or contributed towards it. I didn't look for the latest set of immigrants to blame.

 

So, no, I'm not going to forgive. I will just whisper those 4 little words

 

I. Told. You. So.

 

Then add

Now shut up moaning and deal with the consequences of your own selfishness.

 

Love and kisses.

I think this is a fairly good indication of the fall out of this vote north of the border:

 

 

The Daily Record is the paper responsible for "The Vow" (that thing some within the 45% use as a swearword) and is now backing Sturgeon on indyref2. That is a pretty big turn around in 2 years.

 

We're off, the United Kingdom is done. When even the main anti-independence, anti-SNP tabloid is backing indyref2 you know the Act of Union is f***ed. Record is the Scottish version of the Mirror (which also sells here) but reaches more than twice as many people as The Sun does with an audience of 3.1m vs 1.4m.

I'm waiting to return to the UK with a sick feeling. I also am very bitter. I am very socially minded but everyone I spoke to about leave who made their mind up instantly were not interested in facts or what that meant for the country or other people. I am not going to let any of them individually moan to me about their lot in life if things take a turn for the even worse. They made their choice. Two wrongs do not make a right and blaming other innocent people no matter WHAT they have gone through that they think justifies their attitude is unforgivable. Going through hard Times for years and years is no excuse. It's understandable. But it's no excuse for ignorance and racism. I speak as one who has known abject poverty and long term unemployment and worked years in low paying shit jobs.

 

I never blamed anyone but the politicians who caused or contributed towards it. I didn't look for the latest set of immigrants to blame.

 

So, no, I'm not going to forgive. I will just whisper those 4 little words

 

I. Told. You. So.

 

Then add

Now shut up moaning and deal with the consequences of your own selfishness.

 

Love and kisses.

 

I'd like to offer a different perspective.

 

40 years ago, we were invited to endorse our membership of what we assured would just be a *trading bloc*. Now though, with 40 years more experience of its true purpose - to create a 'united states of Europe' by stealth, is it any wonder we applied the 'one bitten, twice shy' principle!

I'd like to offer a different perspective.

 

40 years ago, we were invited to endorse our membership of what we assured would just be a *trading bloc*. Now though, with 40 years more experience of its true purpose - to create a 'united states of Europe' by stealth, is it any wonder we applied the 'one bitten, twice shy' principle!

 

You keep saying that but you're still yet to explain what is going to be better now that we've left the EU. Especially since the most attractive reasons to vote leave have been revealed as lies.

With respect, don't you see the contradiction here? You admit you're not very concerned about the poor - that's totally up to you, but in that case you can't expect the poor to altruistically vote to save your own job and livelihood. It's a two-way street.

 

The bottom line is, this is Thatcher's individualistic society (continued ever since by governments of both parties) eating itself. For 30 years, much of the middle-class has just voted on the basis of "me me me", whoever advances their own career prospects and keeps their taxes lowest - without any concern for the jobs they were voting to throw poor people out of (mining, heavy industries, public sector), or without concern for the public services or benefits they were voting to cut from others. Now the working-class are getting in on the act, and are relishing the chance to (as they perceive it) advance their own interests at the expense of the middle-class. It's a sad and counterproductive state of affairs, but it's going to continue until the political class start to actually make the economy deliver for everyone, get a sense of "society" going again and make the selfish attitudes go away.

 

I struggle to have sympathy, when these people that I know moan who are the same people that bunked off school and tried to make many others (including myself) stop learning in school. The poor have been manipulated in to believing that leaving the EU will make them better off, that in itself is horrible. It is selfish of me, but I also know it is in the best interests of my country to stay in the EU. The under 30s are the ones who are going to suffer the most (yet again).

You keep saying that but you're still yet to explain what is going to be better now that we've left the EU.

 

It's always better to make your own decisions.

 

Yes, we had input into the EU's decisions, but if we were outvoted by the other countries, we were stuck with them, regardless of whether they benefited us or not.