https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politi...r-splits-launch

 

Well that's that then

 

Meanwhile local Labour councillors and Frank Field-types leave slagging off the bullying going on in the party.

 

Just to be clear: no matter how many times Corbyn trolled every single Labour leader, and voted against so many Labour policies, and slagged off former Labour leaders as War Criminals, and met with prominent terrorists quite happily because the ends justify the means, he was never threatened with intolerance and deselection.

 

Deselection has become a rallying call of intolerance that can't stand anyone that doesn't agree with the Corbyn.

This whole talk of a new party is just silly. If it took people from both Labour and the Tories, they would soon run into difficulties when they tied to develop policies apart from staying in the EU. It would be far better just to have a group of like-minded MPs (including the SNP and Lib Dems) agreeing to work together in this one issue. If their party chose to expel them, so be it. They would still remain MPs until at least the time of the next election (assuming Mayhem doesn't abolish elections).

She will abolish them with the new rules/ seats they want which guarantee a Tory dictatorship forever with fake, engineered elections.

She will abolish them with the new rules/ seats they want which guarantee a Tory dictatorship forever with fake, engineered elections.

Still obsessed with the Tories then😉

This whole talk of a new party is just silly. If it took people from both Labour and the Tories, they would soon run into difficulties when they tied to develop policies apart from staying in the EU. It would be far better just to have a group of like-minded MPs (including the SNP and Lib Dems) agreeing to work together in this one issue. If their party chose to expel them, so be it. They would still remain MPs until at least the time of the next election (assuming Mayhem doesn't abolish elections).

The SNP were elected on a pro-Europe platform so I think they (and the LibDems too) would probably expel those who didn't work across the lines on this.

 

In Scotland it's literally everyone against the Tories and yet in England with a couple of tory defectors you'd have those numbers and Corbyn just refuses. He's baffling. The sooner he goes the better

moves are afoot to force every MP to face membership reselection each year. That throws up the situation where a sitting government member could be removed, theoretically even if Prime Minister. Not that that would happen. What would actually happen is Labour would become a very left-wing party until it dies a natural death from lack of interest by the electorate. And we would be stuck with Tories for the rest of our lives. Even a useless shower like May & her Merry Men & Women can't be unseated by the hugely unpopular Corbyn and his brand of left-wing intolerance. This is no different from the 80's and the invasion of the unelectable militant tendancy giving us Thatcher for a decade until Labour got it's act together.

 

Sadly the younger side of Labour have never read the history books, reading instead the same myopic internal blame & shame game while useless Corbyn is worshipped from afar waiting for the economy to get trashed so he thinks he can step in and reshape A New England on the ashes of despair. I suggest a quick chat with everyone not a party member and ask them what they think about Corbyn, and stop blaming everyone else for a bad press when the basic problem is Corbyn and his limp response to everything, not least Brexit.

 

Still, gotta laugh, eh?

You mean thr same Corbyn who got the biggeat vote increase since Attlee and would have had a landslide if nor for buoying Torybrexit? And was only 2k votes from winning?

 

Neoliberalism kills. We have unfettered late stage capitalism. People are sick of it. That is the difference. People want a left wing party, not more the same, a choice between this neoliberal or that neoliberal in a quasi dictatorship run by media and corporations. Also the media got so desperate rw Corbyn that people now don't trust it. They laugh at the BBC and the Murdoch press. That is another difference.

 

Have faith

I did tell you years ago it had turned into a Tory mouthpiece!!

You mean thr same Corbyn who got the biggeat vote increase since Attlee and would have had a landslide if nor for buoying Torybrexit? And was only 2k votes from winning?

 

Neoliberalism kills. We have unfettered late stage capitalism. People are sick of it. That is the difference. People want a left wing party, not more the same, a choice between this neoliberal or that neoliberal in a quasi dictatorship run by media and corporations. Also the media got so desperate rw Corbyn that people now don't trust it. They laugh at the BBC and the Murdoch press. That is another difference.

 

Have faith

 

You have a lot of neo-political catchphrases but they lost the last election, against a hugely rubbish government of liars and charlatans. You either win or lose, there is no "almost". Labour is so engulfed in talking to itself and reaffirming their current core attitudes to everyone else they forget to go out and talk to voters. Jeremy Corbyn is not well-liked. People like me who generally support social policies are put off by him because he is useless at his job, is hypocritical, and doesn't explain how he's going to make a success of Brexit and make sure we have enough cash to pay for the many policies he wants to bring in.

 

He is deliberately doing nothing watching the Tories implode instead. That's his only policy. To win when they eff it all up and hope for the best that the damage is repairable before he pops his clogs. As his clogs are getting on a bit, I wouldn't bet on it....!

 

The BBC is not Murdoch press. Labour could complain to the governors giving clear examples of bias and they could force them to do something about it because the charter clearly states they should be unbiased. Murdoch can do what he likes because every government since the early 70's has let him. Vince Cable tried to clip his wings and got slagged off for it.

The ehole thing is run by Tories and completely biased. What it is and what it is meant to be are two wildly different things

The ehole thing is run by Tories and completely biased. What it is and what it is meant to be are two wildly different things

 

So put in a formal complaint with examples. There are thousands of Labour supporters who feel the same, so bombard the Governors with examples. If you don't have examples then you are wasting everybody's time just moaning about it. There's a programme at the weekend on the BBC where they have to answer viewer complaints, get someone on it who's eloquent! They need a slap!

Two more Labour MPs have had motions of no-confidence passed in them, Gavin Shuker & Joan Ryan. Unlike previous no-confidence motions, neither of them supported Brexit, although both of them appear to have been critical of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Momentum looks like it's winning.

BBTory is refusing to even mention Mad May forcing the Tories to be the only European power to side with Hungary, an actual anti semetic regime. I wonder whyyyyy

... or as mentioned by Simon in the other thread, that the Conservative Party under David Cameron in 2009 quit the centre-right mainstream European People’s Party (EPP) and formed the far-right friendly ECR.

 

Not that they can do anything because Article 7 requires all other states to agree to implement suspension of some its rights.. something they have yet to do when triggering it for Poland in December 2017 because Hungary had vowed to use their veto - something which the Polish government have no doubt agreed to reciprocate.

Edited September 13, 20186 yr by Doctor Blind

And May commanded the whips to make the meps support a far right anti semetic regime.

 

Imagine the wall to wall BBTory coverage if Corbyn did that!!!

REFERENDUM!!

 

LABOUR IS ON THE CUSP OF SUPPORTING A NEW REFERENDUM!!

 

Surely this is the final nail for Brexit? Mad May's plan would neeever be accepted by the EU, neever get through parliament, soo a second referendum is the only way to go!

REFERENDUM!!

 

LABOUR IS ON THE CUSP OF SUPPORTING A NEW REFERENDUM!!

 

Surely this is the final nail for Brexit? Mad May's plan would neeever be accepted by the EU, neever get through parliament, soo a second referendum is the only way to go!

 

Which is driven by the people and not the party ideology. Their stance is totally idiotic, either you back another referendum/deal vote or you don't. Obviously they want another General Election. Seems to me like Labour don't won't to overturn the 'will of the people' in 2016, but they are quite happy to ignore the vote in 2017. If we have another General Election then so be it, but I don't understand why he is so ensued that people can't change their minds over the EU vote but they can over a General Election. In summary, Labour have no stance on Brexit and Corbyn is a tit.

 

The irony is Corbyn could have sorted this mess out in the first place if he didn't try to push through Article 50.

Better late than never and it is the only alternative!

 

Having a member-pushed change of direction is more than fine - it's democratic. Unlike Mad May beint apoplectic in parliament at Labour's moves to give members more power over MPs. For the born to rule Tory lot that is unthinkable! Dictator wannabes

Better late than never and it is the only alternative!

 

Having a member-pushed change of direction is more than fine - it's democratic. Unlike Mad May beint apoplectic in parliament at Labour's moves to give members more power over MPs. For the born to rule Tory lot that is unthinkable! Dictator wannabes

 

But you're forgetting the point that Labour has a neutral stance during the EU Referendum, they likely could have easily swung the vote, but instead Corbyn chose to do nothing (and we all know that's because while his party is pro-EU, he himself largely is anti-EU). It's partly his fault we are in this situation as it is.

 

The sooner this alternative party rises from the right of Labour and the left of the Tories the better as far as I'm concerned, but obviously not going to happen until after Brexit.

Last sentence aside, I completely agree. Corbyn is just reading the writing on the wall that his fan base is pro-EU and he can’t continue his current path without losing them