I didn't know you were from NI too, thought it was just me and Brett Butler, also Steve201 from there too. :o That's three iconic Buzzjackers and me :D

 

UUP are less right wing than DUP if I remember correctly.

 

Would vote Green Party or maybe Alliance myself.

 

Yeh I'm from Belfast for my sins!!

 

I would say the UUP are similar to the DUP economically, politically and socially - only difference would be that working class loyalists support their more stringent constitutional position over the past 25 years which has helped. Whereas the two nationalist parties have a very clear different historical development.

Yeh I'm from Belfast for my sins!!

 

I would say the UUP are similar to the DUP economically, politically and socially - only difference would be that working class loyalists support their more stringent constitutional position over the past 25 years which has helped. Whereas the two nationalist parties have a very clear different historical development.

 

So do I and I assume Qween does to. Can't believe it may be possible if both parties were in agreement for me to meet His Royal Qweenliness The Qween Of Buzzjack one day :cheer: :lol:

 

What do you mean by stringent constitutional position? :unsure:

 

 

From the little notice I've paid to Northern Irish politics the UUP seems to have clued in recent years that just being a more placid version of the DUP isn't going to get them anywhere. A switch to a more small-l liberal unionism seems to be the first noticeable thing they've done to differentiate themselves, but I don't know how widespread that is within the party (or how recent a development that is)

 

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I'm voting Liberal Democrat and I'm not going back to Labour until they firmly stand for re-entry to the Single Market and this anti-immigration fug within the party has gone away.

Depends on the manifestos of the parties. I don't hold myself to one party and just pick the one with the manifesto I agree with most. A lesser of the evils essentally. Last election I voted green, so chose them in the poll as that's who I'm essentially "with" at the moment. But that could easily change given brexit and a likely shake up of politics to come the next general election (RIP Labour).

Edited January 18, 20178 yr by Envoirment

From the little notice I've paid to Northern Irish politics the UUP seems to have clued in recent years that just being a more placid version of the DUP isn't going to get them anywhere. A switch to a more small-l liberal unionism seems to be the first noticeable thing they've done to differentiate themselves, but I don't know how widespread that is within the party (or how recent a development that is)

 

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I'm voting Liberal Democrat and I'm not going back to Labour until they firmly stand for re-entry to the Single Market and this anti-immigration fug within the party has gone away.

 

I would like for the UUP to become more liberal and less right wing.

 

Ideally in NI I would like to see eventually the SDLP and a more liberal transformed UUP to get voted for enough to be in power sharing, but that isn't going to happen soon sadly.

 

Concerning Labour, Corbyn 100% will have to propose a second referendum as part of his election manifesto if he has any chance of winning an election.

Given that he's more interested in free movement than the single market, we can probably kiss goodbye to Corbyn backing the only sensible option for our policy at the next election. We already missed a trick by not demanding single market access before the speech and now May is able to pivot and call it a 'clean' Brexit rather than a 'hard' one. I'll be surprised if we have a coherent stance by then that that isn't just Keir Starmer camping out in Andrew Marr's green room.

I've voted Lib Dem in every single election apart from the last general election where I voted SNP in the vain hope that they would be able to form a coalition with Labour. But then England stayed blue for some reason and, despite a landslide in the seats they fought in, the SNP gained no real power but did replace the Lib Dems as the third party. So, I'm kinda perpetually doomed to be a supporter of the bronze-placed party. Lib Dems next time it is then.

Edited January 18, 20178 yr by richie

When is it? 2020?

I'll be old enough to vote come the next election and I'll probably vote Lib Dem.

Ah right I always thought you were labour just from your posts!

I last voted Labour in 1979 :lol:

I would return to supporting the Lib Dems. I used to support them pre-2010 but was disgusted, as were most students, by them selling us out. But I think they've suffered long enough and I'm here for the Lib Dem revival now. A strong centre party in Parliament is needed more than ever right now with politics becoming so polarised.

SNP

I will go with Labour, because I agree with their basic morals and policies, but they're a damn f***ing mess at the moment. And I feel lately, more than ever that my vote doesn't matter. May is a f***ing terrible PM, she is totally dead behind the eyes and I don't believe anything she says is more than just scripts written for her. I find her and the rest of her party totally soulless. I'm really jealous that the Scottish people have a forward thinking, fair and compassionate leader to vote for.

Right now I have absolutely no idea - the Labour party are completely hopeless right now (both the PLP who oppose Corbyn, and indeed Corbyn himself of course) with no clear position/direction or strategy on the most important issues at the current time. Despite voting for Labour and Miliband in 2015, they are unlikely to get my vote this time around though this may change with a new leader by 2020 so it is difficult for me to say..

Edited January 18, 20178 yr by Doctor Blind

I would return to supporting the Lib Dems. I used to support them pre-2010 but was disgusted, as were most students, by them selling us out. But I think they've suffered long enough and I'm here for the Lib Dem revival now. A strong centre party in Parliament is needed more than ever right now with politics becoming so polarised.

 

The Lib Dems are doing the right thing. They've took the criticism on board and are working hard. I think they will pick up a lot of the more right-wing Labour and moderate Conservative voters who probably ignored them after the PR disaster of the last few years.

 

Labour are going to be the real losers if they don't pick their act up, can see them losing out massively. Traditional Labour voters are leaving, and the Nu-Labour voters will move somewhere else. I do wonder if this is the end of two party politics for some significant time.

 

As for me, I have no idea. Right now I would probably go Lib Dem. I've voted Conservative at the past few GEs, but I don't think they will handle Brexit the way I like. Despite the stick, I did like Dave/George. They got a lot of things wrong, but I thought the ideology was in the right place. But Teresa really seems to be pandering to the more right-win Conservatives, which I'm not a fan of really.

I am also one that's a bit clueless, I want to support Labour after voting for them in the last election, but the utter directionless shambles they've become is putting me off. I actually LIKE Corbyn, way more so than Miliband, but it's a divided party and he looks so lost and it's showing in what they've become. I may yet get back on board with the Lib Dems, they seem to be finally showing some upward projection since Clegg left. Still, can't really remember a time I felt so much despair with UK Politics :/

I am also one that's a bit clueless, I want to support Labour after voting for them in the last election, but the utter directionless shambles they've become is putting me off. I actually LIKE Corbyn, way more so than Miliband, but it's a divided party and he looks so lost and it's showing in what they've become. I may yet get back on board with the Lib Dems, they seem to be finally showing some upward projection since Clegg left. Still, can't really remember a time I felt so much despair with UK Politics :/

As someone who has been following politics closely since long before you were born, I'm in the same boat.

ditto.

From the little notice I've paid to Northern Irish politics the UUP seems to have clued in recent years that just being a more placid version of the DUP isn't going to get them anywhere. A switch to a more small-l liberal unionism seems to be the first noticeable thing they've done to differentiate themselves, but I don't know how widespread that is within the party (or how recent a development that is)

 

-x-

 

I'm voting Liberal Democrat and I'm not going back to Labour until they firmly stand for re-entry to the Single Market and this anti-immigration fug within the party has gone away.

 

The UUP try to be all things for all people - in certain areas of the statelet they try and pander to the liberal small u unionist and landed unionism from which it came from originally but this doesn't work in working class areas of south and east Belfast where the people here are attracted to a UKIP style right wing social policy base (although there is a thriving liberal unionist base building in east Belfast where the Alliance Party thrive)!

 

They really don't know where to do due to the nature of unionism and its development whereas Irish nationalism and Irish republicanism Come from two different strands of Irish history.

Labour. My worry, however, is if Ukips momentum surges and labours dives over the coming years...In which case I'd "consider" voting Tory purely by default. However, with how May is getting snuggly with Trump,I couldn't... Just couldn't.

Edited January 29, 20178 yr by ScottyEm