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General Election 2017

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I would vote Plaid all the way off the back of Leanne's appearances were I in Wales, shame I can't do so here

 

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I do love how it's only 2 years since the last election and yet Leanne and Nicola are the only party leaders to return. Such a shame they're so exclusive to both Scotland and Weeyals.
Nah, those days are gone. Ive sat through wave after wave of redundancies since the late 80's, and having been hatcheted and privatised and bought back in house again and again and again since then we are now losing another 20% of the workforce, I cant speak for every council, of course, just mine and the ones my friends work for. We've all had to reapply for our own jobs, been downgraded (or upgraded), taken on what used to be the work of 2 or 3 posts at no extra financial benefit (just extra stress). My private sector friends have about the same degree of stability, but seem to be more employable after being let go and get MUCH better wages...

 

Well that's true. I'm having the same problem - acting up 3 levels higher than I'm on and only getting a lump sum every three months which gets heavily taxed. I also now have to apply for the job I'm acting up to with an interview process which is very stressful and embarrassing if you don't pass it (I've failed once already). And there's no word what happens if I don't get the retrawl? I don't know...

I'm also still acting up while new members of staff move in who got the interview and the most annoying thing is they shadow ME!!

Debate tonight proved a couple of things beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

-Nuttall is a completely useless dipshit who should get in the sea.

-WAYLES remains the best thing about these debates. I live for Leanne "Natalie" Wood

-Sturgeon is still the most accomplished politician in the UK and by far the best performing leader again

-Caroline, Leanne and Nicola lining up to side eye and eye roll Nuttall and his shite was everything you need in life

-The UK as a whole would be remarkably better off if they elected a progressive alliance of the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP

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Paul Nuttall, dear GOD. He was even worse than I expected! He could barely string a sentence together.

 

Leanne (or Natalie) was iconic as ever. She truly makes for the best TV out of them all :lol:

 

Tim Farron did a fantastic job! He at least clinched my dad's vote for Lib Dems and hopefully some others watching too.

The Tory manifesto is f***ing terrifying.

It's actually a lot less bad than I was expecting and only playing on recent right-wing populism in its arbitrary and counterproductive immigration restrictions. I'm terrified of us becoming like other countries on the periphery of the EU such as Russia and Turkey (or Hungary), something I was expecting after the Tories consumed UKIP and May made conspiratorial comments about Brussels interfering with the election. Fortunately, she hasn't since seemed to continue with that line and they've also come out with a relatively grounded manifesto. I'm more worried about Brexit negotiations and constitutional/democracy arrangements than economic measures that favour the rich or divisive social policy, so I'll save the hysteria if we commit completely to going full Erdoğan.

 

Yes I find it awful because my political views are socially liberal and economically left, but it's not as awful as it could be. This isn't the "there's no such thing as society" party from the Thatcher days.

Some of the Tory manifesto made me laugh at its incompetence. Uni students write crap like this, shoehorning in their buzzwords for no damn reason all the time:

So there is no doubt that a country as great as ours can – with strong and stable leadership

– rise to the giant challenges we face:

Or when you need a little variation:

To do that, we will need a state that is strong and strategic

 

But yes, poking fun at the introduction aside, it is terrifying, particularly that line about how they disagree with people who say it is not the government's role to regulate the internet. Yet on the whole it's more terrifying in its VAGUENESS. There is so much there that will get chucked onto the back burner and never get done while they cut out more services on their mandate, I do not trust what they are saying about the NHS... of course, so much in the international trade and future section that is essentially just wishful thinking and barely any figures worth talking about, just figures that will be happening regardless of the outcome. It feels, where it isn't being cold and dedicated to bumping up the already successful, like a huge load of lazy platitudes because they know they've won this and they don't even need to try. I expect they'll vaguely fulfil about half of that by 2020 (the cynic in me would say the bad half but it'll probably just be picked at random) and call that a storming success.

 

At least Labour is fully costed, they're not afraid to put their figures out there and the figures add up for the most part. I'm far more confident they know their stuff. They might not meet all of their targets but there's a lot more on specific promises rather than platitudes that feels as though it could happen. The Tory's is not all bad, there are some decent points in there that I'd be fine with, without all the other crap, but when the alternative is Corbyn's manifesto of care and move towards democratic socialist utopia (which no matter how unrealistic is always worth pushing for, and this one does seem surprisingly well thought out), or the Lib Dems' pretty awesome manifesto, there's no contest.

 

Especially, and I'll go onto an economic subject I know at least a little bit about, the International Trade section, the Tories just said the same thing that they've been saying for ages, open up trade with America and Commonwealth and our former allies will sort everything before swiftly moving onto their next point about how GREAT Britain is on the global scale, but Labour have instead gone into an impressive amount of detail on how they'll sort out our new regulations with international trade, and keeps the focus on the EU while looking to see what else is available. If we must strike out on our own then I'd much rather have whoever wrote that part of Labour's manifesto at the helm.

Oh, what a...shame?

 

I didn't even realise that wasn't a THING in the rest of the UK. We've always* needed a passport or driving licence to vote in NI (or other government photo ID). It only seems to make sense to me. Not that's it's difficult to get a passport, or indeed a provisional licence if you have no intention of driving, or an electoral ID card.

 

(*for as long as I've voted)

The Conservatives are to stop people from voting if they don't own a passport or a driving licence.

 

I don't have either of those...

 

Along with many other people, most of them the least well-off. They can't afford to drive and can't afford to go abroad. There are, of course, others who can afford it but choose not to.

 

Oh, what a...shame?

 

I didn't even realise that wasn't a THING in the rest of the UK. We've always* needed a passport or driving licence to vote in NI (or other government photo ID). It only seems to make sense to me. Not that's it's difficult to get a passport, or indeed a provisional licence if you have no intention of driving, or an electoral ID card.

 

(*for as long as I've voted)

 

As far as I can remember, the requirement in Northern Ireland is relatively recent.

The Tory manifesto is hardly bad, infact I'm actually relatively surprised by it. There a couple of points I disagree with (mainly voting ID being compulsory). But targeting rich Pensioners is a start and getting rid of the triple lock. There does not seem to be much substance to it, which is a slight worry - and I don't think there is enough investment in to the NHS. But this manifesto really does seem to be targeting the Centre voters.

 

Have seen lots of stuff about the free school meals being scrapped - I'd love to see the statistics of the uptake currently.

The biggest problem with the fuel allowance proposal is that they haven't given any clue about who will lose it. All they can say is that they will reveal more after the election. Funnily enough, they don't think that's good enough for parties without the advantage of the extra information available to the incumbent government.

The biggest problem with the fuel allowance proposal is that they haven't given any clue about who will lose it. All they can say is that they will reveal more after the election. Funnily enough, they don't think that's good enough for parties without the advantage of the extra information available to the incumbent government.

 

I'm guessing they think it's better to mention it now, than spring it on people after the election and have them say 'that wasn't in your manifesto!'

I'm guessing they think it's better to mention it now, than spring it on people after the election and have them say 'that wasn't in your manifesto!'

If it means, for example, that 75% of pensioners lose their winter fuel allowance, I'm sure a lot of them will then say that they were misled. Of course, it is in keeping with the rest of the manifesto in giving almost no detail or, where applicable, any idea of where the money is coming from.

If it means, for example, that 75% of pensioners lose their winter fuel allowance, I'm sure a lot of them will then say that they were misled. Of course, it is in keeping with the rest of the manifesto in giving almost no detail or, where applicable, any idea of where the money is coming from.

 

But wouldn't future financial plans be somewhat dependant on the Brexit deal we get?

 

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