Also, I asked this in the Lorde thread just now but I thought I'd post it here too as it's likely to gather more predictions here.

 

Predix for Melodrama next week? I'm going with 20k, just slightly higher than her debut albums opening sales.

 

My prediction is around 15k, doesn't seem much hype around it which is a shame because all the tracks so far are A+

Edited June 10, 20179 yr by John-James

I said earlier that KP prob sold 5k but it would surprise me that LG have sold 15k on day 1. I expected LG to open with 10k first day but surely KP couldnt have sold just 3.3k.

I expected a lot more from LG than 10k, debut Album opened with 33k (week sales) and sold well after. Anyway 25k for the week should be enough and it's still top of iTunes although worryingly it is down to 5 on Amazon best sellers.

My prediction is around 15k, doesn't seem much hype around it which is a shame because all the tracks so far are A+

I think there's a lot of hype but that may just be me. 15k would still be great

1-2-3 for Bieber I reckon as the featured artist.

 

 

That's really bad for Katy, I think this era will be the one to finish her as a viable commercial hit-maker.

Didn't people say that about Kylie, Madonna, Rihanna, Britney, P!nk, Lady Gaga at some points in their careers?

 

Things have been just fine for them...

Didn't people say that about Kylie, Madonna, Rihanna, Britney, P!nk, Lady Gaga at some points in their careers?

 

Things have been just fine for them...

But half of those you stated can't get hits anymore.

But half of those you stated can't get hits anymore.

I think the point is that they've recovered from flops in the past. Kylie and Madonna in particular have had their floppier eras and managed to storm back with smash hits, so it's not the end of Katy's singles chart success yet!

But half of those you stated can't get hits anymore.

Maybe not anymore, but after their eras in which these sorts of comments were made, they came back with eras that were a lot stronger and more commercially appealing, some were even considered "career bests" for them.

Not too surprised Katy is flopping in terms of her previous standards. Her singles so far have been well below her previous standard.

 

I've always thought her fanbase is pretty weak for an artist of her reputation. I just dont see her having that many committed fans who will keep buying her records when the quality dips.

Madonna didnt have any flop era unti mdna and

She actually never recovered from that

When was Pinks "flop era" ???

You can always argue about this but I think if an album goes platinum or even gold in today's sales climate when 6k/week is enough for top ten none of those acts have ever flopped.

 

We can of course pretend that everyone should be as successful as Madonna with tens and tens of top ten hits for 30 years but that's not gonna happen to anyone else except Madonna herself (maybe Rihanna but she's not even halfway there)

 

If we are discussing flops we should discuss Nelly Furtado, Paula Abdul, some of J. Lo's albums (Brave and AKA), maybe Christina Aguilera's Lotus

Edited June 11, 20179 yr by SKOB

When was Pinks "flop era" ???

 

I think Try This is considered the flop era but really it did really well by today's standards.

Madonna didnt have any flop era unti mdna and

She actually never recovered from that

1992-1996 and the "American LIfe" were certainly at the time considered to be flops. Of course the top 10 singles still came but she wasn't selling anything like what she sold 1984-1991 or 1998-2002.

Ouch not looking good for Katy

I think the point is that they've recovered from flops in the past. Kylie and Madonna in particular have had their floppier eras and managed to storm back with smash hits, so it's not the end of Katy's singles chart success yet!

 

The thing is though, when they experienced this it was a lot easier to come back from it. We live in an age now where radio stations will essentially blacklist you (if you're a pop act of this calibre) for flopping.

This sounds absolutely awful but I think Katy shaving her head ruined it all. CTTR was a big hit here in the UK but she had long hair then. Seems as though people are thinking there's stigma in liking Katy now as she has 'gone crazy', to quote what many people have said.

 

This may be the most ridiculous post you have seen but I think it's true. People think Katy has gone crazy since CTTR so they just don't want to listen to her atm. I for one love Katy's new style and I struggle to understand why people would change their opinion of her just for changing her hairstyle.

 

Thoughts on this?

Interesting post actually but Britney & Jessie J had big hits after such including #1 singles (ok Jessie J did it for charity iirc so that's fair enough) - I just think Bon Appetit & Swish Swish are really not that commercial or accessible singles to the majority of the public.

 

We all know all it takes is a feature on a massive single to completely turn things around so you can never write anyone off...

This sounds absolutely awful but I think Katy shaving her head ruined it all. CTTR was a big hit here in the UK but she had long hair then. Seems as though people are thinking there's stigma in liking Katy now as she has 'gone crazy', to quote what many people have said.

 

This may be the most ridiculous post you have seen but I think it's true. People think Katy has gone crazy since CTTR so they just don't want to listen to her atm. I for one love Katy's new style and I struggle to understand why people would change their opinion of her just for changing her hairstyle.

 

Thoughts on this?

I definitely see where you're coming from! It could be misinterpreted by other people but you've definitely got the right idea.

 

I think for years the public were used to Katy releasing pure pop only and having an accessible pop girl look - so her shaving her head and making changes to her image (which had been the same from 2009-16 previously) and her music was probably what made the public less invested in her as an artist. We all know how fickle the GP is right now, so because Katy is taking a musical risk and switching up her style, they're a LOT less invested in her as an artist.

 

I'd go as far to say that the only real reason Swish Swish is becoming a hit is because it's got that familiar house sound that's popular at the moment (Disciples, Jax Jones, John Gibbons etc.) - where as Bon Appétit was something totally different for her (it was still Katy by numbers but definitely had less of the poppy sound she usually brings into her 'novelty tracks', so it flopped as the public weren't willing to give her changed persona the time of day.

 

By the way, I also love this Witness era, but I really get where you're coming from.