I hope it doesn’t underperform, I love it so much.

So infectious.

I really think this could severely underperform and I, for one, am glad.

 

The message is beyond BLEH. I'd maybe consider be more forgiving if it was actually a decent bop but its not even that. After Anywhere, she's really ruined all momentum she had going for her. Shame really.

It's #18 in the mids, I think it's doing just fine for now :P

Okay this is the song of the year.

This is absolutely horrendous, what a mess :puke:

 

edit- why? piss poor attempt at making an empowering anthem, generic as f*** trap beat, far too much going on at once, complete throwaway features except from Charli who improves the song, proper dodgy lyrics

edit- it sounds like she's REALLY trying to be Charli and failing miserably

Rita has come out as bisexual.

 

Really pleased by for her but also feel a little sad that she may have felt forced to do it because of the backlash.

 

It's really sad how her coming out has been reported. Most headlines are stating that she is apologising for the song - are we as a society so against normal that we have to apologise for expressing ourselves through art?

 

I'm happy for her and I hope she's coping with this.

Yeah, that's quite sad that it would appear she's been 'forced' to do this and to even put a label on her sexuality if she was happy not doing so.

Also echoing that I'm pleased for her but it's ridiculous she has felt forced into explicitly coming out to justify the song.

 

All the headlines are 'Rita comes out but apologies for Girls'...I mean it's kinda sad.

I think this debate is ridiculous. I don’t recall any issues with Katy’s track or Demi’s so I don’t really see why the PC police are jumping on this track. It’s a catchy, harmless pop song about experimentation. Simple as.

 

Did you have lesbian friends at the time? Adults especially. There was people not happy at the time with Katy. Demi I can't say on because I missed that song a bit at the time. But it's not like any of the three are the first woman (or act at all!) to play up bisexuality or "bisexuality"/openness to experimentation as a shock tactic and marketing tactic.

As for the coming out thing, are we really getting a bee in our bonnet when a woman releases a song about kissing girls and then comes out as bisexual? Wasn't that ALWAYS a pretty clear cut thing that might be asked of you if you released that song as that person? Like, the first question that might come up?

This won’t do anywhere as good as Anywhere chart wise, but good on her for coming out, even if it was forced. :(

 

Stupid Kehlani

As for the coming out thing, are we really getting a bee in our bonnet when a woman releases a song about kissing girls and then comes out as bisexual? Wasn't that ALWAYS a pretty clear cut thing that might be asked of you if you released that song as that person? Like, the first question that might come up?

It's the fact it's attached to an apology which makes it seem like she's been made to announce it as a way of justifying the song.

I agree with Jupiter - releasing this song and then having to "apologise" for it and come out as bisexual at the same time because others have reacted to it.. I am so confused, especially with her interview posted earlier. Is she bisexual? Does she just like to frolic with girls when drunk? Is it none of the above and she didn't even know the song was being written for her, she just blindly sings the song without any context? Was it just a song given to her in an attempt to get a hit and now she's attaching all this multi-layered meaning to it when it really isn't there and it's just a throwaway song? I have never been so confused about my feelings towards a song (and the most confusing part is the fact I am trying to formulate some sort of response when I don't really care about the song musically).

 

It's fun enough, cute and catchy but *in this song* to me she comes across as clueless to LGBT culture and is just latching onto it in a bid to get a hit and i'm sorry if that comes across as overly harsh, it's just my feelings and they are probably not warranted. For someone who is "attempting" to offer this song as some sort of bisexual anthem, she has gone about it in such a misguided way which makes it all seem very manufactured with her being the face of it and thus having to defend it.

I don't think it's right to interpret that statement as Rita Ora saying she is bisexual. Yes, she's saying she's had romantic relationships with both genders, and the song lyrics are obviously about same-sex dalliances. However, "bisexual" is still not a definition that she has placed upon herself at any point (which is her right, of course). Therefore I don't see either the song or the statement as being a "coming out" - and far less a forced coming out.

 

Her statement still deftly side-steps actually acknowledging what it was that people took issue with, with the songs lyrics, and what they can be seen to represent. She owns the lyrics as her experience, and that's fine... but beyond "sorry that how I expressed myself offended anyone" she hasn't addressed or acknowledged why there's been issues with the lyrical content. And that's the crux of this issue.

 

So for this to suddenly twist into an "I feel so bad for Rita for being forced to come out" I feel is pretty spectacular case of the point being missed and detracts from what this was all about - the problematic, tone-deaf nature of the lyrics as a piece of work, separate from "Rita's truth", but how they can be perceived (as non-progressive). That's all Hayley etc were getting at. I think it's gross that stans are now coming for Hayley and accusing her of having "forced Rita to come out".

I'm happy that she has been open and honest with us all, the song is not good though, not even just cos some people find some lyrics problematic, it is just not enjoyable to listen to.

When did pop become so serious and literal?

 

I'm confused about everything tbh. What's the actual problem that it's supposed to be? Is it coz of the lyric "red wine"? Genuine question, I'm honestly lost with it all and I just saw the lyric video for the first time to try and see where the issues may lie, but unless I'm interpreting it all incorrectly (quite possible) I don't see/hear anything that's made this worth blowing up the way it has?

 

I really do feel like it's been blown considerably out of proportion. The song is quite clear in it's message I feel? Like, isn't it obvious it's about a first encounter/one of the very first times with another woman/experimenting with someone of the same sex?

 

Everyone's first time is completely different and I'd be willing to bet that more often than not, a lot of sexual identities/experimentation start out "with a drunken kiss" or whatever as alcohol really changes comfort levels. Which brings me to Hayley's post as I feel it's very "my way of experiencing things is the only way it happens". Like, you don't need red wine to love another woman? Great. But some people do start that way and I'd be surprised if a lot of bisexual and gay stories didn't start out that way/as a drunken fling, which led to more etc..

 

Is that just a really naïve way of looking at things? :lol:

 

P.s. my post honestly isn't intended to offend, so apologies if it has, I'm just trying to find out all the issues with the song that has seemingly made it into such a big deal - despite it being a year old now (I've been away all weekend so not really had time to process or look things up properly)

 

Oh and this is nothing to do with Rita's apology and her supposedly coming out. I don't think it's fair that Rita stans seem to be attacking Hayley and saying she "forced Rita to come out" as I didn't get that from it at all.

 

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As for my opinion on the song, I'm loving it more and more. It's such a good, fun pop song. :wub:

how exactly has she been forced to come out as bisexual? she’s just deliberately released a cack-handed stereotypical song about ermmm being bisexual?!

 

i’m really flummoxed; muna/hayley/kehlani started this convo really...is it their fault she’s been FORCED out? you write something ppl find offensive and they will talk; there’s a lot of well reasoned argument online as to why ppl take such an issue with this (this pj post breaks things down lyrically quite well: http://forum.popjustice.com/threads/rita-o...84#post-6161597 )

 

 

I do see how the song is essentially queerbaiting and the lyrics should be in question but at the same time I’m with Jonjo on this. Sexual fluidity has been lauded and celebrated (and rightfully so) but when a heterosexual someone tries to portray that in art, it’s all of a sudden taboo.

 

If there is anyone to blame for this mentality it’s the trigger happy stan Twitter community for making this an ungodly mess.

The song is a little bit shit tho tbh :/

Edited May 15, 20187 yr by Cqmerqn

Old homophobic tweets from Rita and Cardi being dug up :o they probably weren't drinking red wine when tweeting them back then? :thinking:

 

(I am trolling (maybe))