I noticed there are people from South Sudan, North Korea, and even the "Western Sahara" :blink: that have signed the petition, who knew people there were against a no deal Brexit too.

2 million signatures, and there is not a confirmation of any of that being a true story - signing the petition requires a UK postcode and email address, should be fairly easy to exclude those that don't provide accurate information. If someone is abroad and is on holiday (presumably where they get identified on servers -"info" provided by unknown internet sources) if they are British and have a British address they can still sign it.

Although I voted Remain, and would be happy if the UK didn't leave the EU, I'm genuinely concerned as to what may happen politically if Article 50 is revoked. There will be a lot of angered Brexiteers in the population who will make their displeasure known by switching support back to the party that is most seen as the party of Brexit, which is of course Ukip. And given that Ukip have gone full-fash since Gerard B took over, that party having larger-than-now support genuinely terrifies me. And the slightly better alternative, that they instead go to the slightly more sensible SDP, is not that likely.

 

I wish I was intelligent enough to come up with a solution that allows the UK to remain in the EU, without provoking the anger of people who voted leave, and I don't think anyone is - that boat sailed off long ago, circa 2017. And of course, there is the chance that the new EU parliament post-elections leads to a more populist EU, which could disrupt the UK's attempts to leave even further.

 

Basically, I don't know anymore.

 

a referendum. If that is still public will then we will exit. If it isn't and people have changed their minds, as per HofC each week, then we don;t leave. Fear of what happens to democracy as an excuse to not exercise democracy is self-defeating. Politics is going to be stuffed whatever happens because half the voting nation is going to be very angry whatever happens. Brexiteers were angry long before the referendum and will continue to be angry whatever happens when they find out that they were lied to and the rest of us blame them for the rest of their lives for our economic and associated personal misfortunes, or by not getting their own way and blaming remainers insisting on another vote. Article 50 cant be revoked without a vote, because that would be undemocratic.

Although I voted Remain, and would be happy if the UK didn't leave the EU, I'm genuinely concerned as to what may happen politically if Article 50 is revoked. There will be a lot of angered Brexiteers in the population who will make their displeasure known by switching support back to the party that is most seen as the party of Brexit, which is of course Ukip. And given that Ukip have gone full-fash since Gerard B took over, that party having larger-than-now support genuinely terrifies me.

 

You could be right - people do strange things when they see democracy failing...

How much support did Farage get for his Leave March again? I remain unconvinced, though of course there will be protests larger than that, no one is being made desperate by a revocation, which is where scary things happen.

 

2 million signatures, and there is not a confirmation of any of that being a true story - signing the petition requires a UK postcode and email address, should be fairly easy to exclude those that don't provide accurate information. If someone is abroad and is on holiday (presumably where they get identified on servers -"info" provided by unknown internet sources) if they are British and have a British address they can still sign it.

 

I did sign it, putting my information as China, but I am a British citizen, and do still have a stake in this. I believe I saw a stat which said roughly 98% of the votes were from within the UK, and 2% is a reasonable number to assume for British expats.

I did sign it, putting my information as China, but I am a British citizen, and do still have a stake in this. I believe I saw a stat which said roughly 98% of the votes were from within the UK, and 2% is a reasonable number to assume for British expats.

UK residents in the EU naturally face disruption to their daily lives. Not surprising that so many of us would sign it when Brexit has been made to feel so personal.

Good news everyone! Brexit is not happening! Uri Gellar is using his very real psychic powers to ensure it!

 

@1109145636216152065

 

I really hope this doesn't turn out to be a spoof letter sent by someone pretending to be Uri Gellar, because every word of that is absolutely delicious.

2 million signatures, and there is not a confirmation of any of that being a true story - signing the petition requires a UK postcode and email address, should be fairly easy to exclude those that don't provide accurate information. If someone is abroad and is on holiday (presumably where they get identified on servers -"info" provided by unknown internet sources) if they are British and have a British address they can still sign it.

 

I did have to have a chuckle that Farage was blaming the signatures on Russian bots :D :lol:This based on no evidence whatsoever and the fact that they obviously support the Leave campaign from all the evidence provided. Anyway I doubt this survey will make the slightest bit of difference, but certainly if it can keep on going at the rate it is growing over the weekend at least it might give some Remain MPs a backbone to stand up against May while she tries to push her shitty deal through with the threat of No Deal.

 

Farage meanwhile, after getting his March to London attended by literally DOZENS of devoted followers (not him of course, he took the bus), set up a vote webpage a la the Brexit referendum page (4 million plus and growing) got 90 suckers to sign then removed his name from it leaving them to take the can. The foul-mouthed record moaning about 17 million getting ignored (blame yourselves you voted for it and believed the lies that it would be a piece of piss and we'd get a marvellous deal and be way better off) has literally got a couple of thousand people to buy it.

 

Meanwhile there is a march in London by those fed up with all the lies and promises that never happened. Guessing it will be a bit bigger than Farage's.

 

David Davis 2012: " If a democracy cannot change it's mind, then it ceases to be a democracy."

 

I agree with Davy Davy. I also agree with Rees-Frogg's assertion at that time that the people can be consulted on any final deal. See, us remoaners can agree with Hard Brexiters when they speak the truth.

Maybe we should get rid of general elections as the public made up their mind in 2017 and so we should stick by that until the end of time

Maybe we should get rid of general elections as the public made up their mind in 2017 and so we should stick by that until the end of time

 

What would be the point of having another referendum if this country doesn't start implementing a referendum result. At least with elections, we still respect the idea that the party who wins the most seats forms a government.

 

 

What would be the point of having another referendum if this country doesn't start implementing a referendum result. At least with elections, we still respect the idea that the party who wins the most seats forms a government.

 

Because what was promised in the 2016 referendum that millions of people voted on is not actually happening? We've tried to implement a referendum result and every has different ideas about what works best so nothing can get through parlimeant. I'm of the opinion a Soft Brexit would have been the sensible option and would have appeased all sides of the debate

Because what was promised in the 2016 referendum that millions of people voted on is not actually happening? We've tried to implement a referendum result and every has different ideas about what works best so nothing can get through parlimeant. I'm of the opinion a Soft Brexit would have been the sensible option and would have appeased all sides of the debate

 

Looking very likely Soft Brexit is going to be the outcome now, after Parliament will vote to regain control of the Brexit process (only lost by 2 votes last time so will almost certainly win now). I don't think Parliament will repeal Article 50, because the Labour MPs in Leave areas will vote against it.

 

So Soft Brexit will probably happen, and then the ERG and Brexiteers might then have a dawning realisation that they probably should have backed May's deal.

Why do Remain voters insist on saying what Leave voters voted for, it's annoying.

 

The choice was remain or leave, there was no mention of soft Brexit, just leave.

 

Why do Remain voters insist on saying what Leave voters voted for, it's annoying.

 

The choice was remain or leave, there was no mention of soft Brexit, just leave.

That’s the whole point of having another vote. It’s a way of asking whether people are content what has been negotiated. The idea of saying “any form of Leave will do” based on a small majority in an advisory referendum is just bonkers.

‘Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave’

 

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http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/theme....pdf?1463496002

 

Let's not pretend anyone had any idea of exactly how we'd leave back then, all campaigning was absolute shite, I feel like the last few months may have informed people that it's a bit more complex than what we first thought to leave so a second referendum is really not out of the question. I would honestly be OK with leaving if we take the time to find the deal that's best for everyone, if we keep rushing, we're never gonna get there.

 

I also walked by a lot of people on the Brexit march today, I believe the numbers put it on par with the biggest march of the century, so pleased it's been such a success!

Why do Remain voters insist on saying what Leave voters voted for, it's annoying.

 

The choice was remain or leave, there was no mention of soft Brexit, just leave.

 

Because I know people who voted because they believed the NHS would get more money. That was a lie. The campaign was a lie. Nobody knows what 17 million people voted for, least of all those who claim they know exactly what 17 million voted for. Telepathy does not exist.

The Revoke A50 petition has now passed five million signatures. That’s five million people who don’t believe May’s claim to be on our side.

My mum actually voted Leave and yet has signed this petition.

 

If there’s a chance people have changed their minds, we must have a second referendum.

Another straw poll :

 

Do you think that a 2nd referendum resulting in as narrow a win for the Remain side, would settle anything?

 

a. Yes

b. No