Did anyone on BJ go to the Pro-Europea march in London last Saturday? I did (with the Liverpool for Europe group) and had a fantastic time. Would be good to know that some others from BJ were there. Met with some great people including a brilliant bloke from the Banbury for Europe group. The Dorset bunch were particularly vocal.

 

Billy Bragg was an unexpected bonus as well.

Yes. In other words, they are still not a Remain-supporting party and won’t be standing on a pro-Remain manifesto if there is an election while we are still in the EU.

Thought so, thanks.

 

All these smoke and mirrors to hide that Corbyn is an enthusiastic brexiteer from his young and heavily pro-Europe supporter base :drama:

Isn't the labour policy vote remain if the tories put it to a ref but if it goes to a GE then its a labour renegotiation with confirmatory ref that labour will support a tbc option?

 

McDonut said last night on Peston that in the event of a GE Labour would campaign to Remain. OK, he's not in charge, but that's rather an interesting change of stance. They seem to realise that a Tory Hard Brexit Party is determined to see off Farage so they have no alternative but to try and hold on to Remainers to reduce losses to Lib Dems. This would effectively force Soft Brexiters (if they exist by then) into an all-or-nothing choice.

 

Good to hear they are showing signs to have finally taken my repeated advice to heart....

It would be about time if they did move towards that policy!

McDonut said last night on Peston that in the event of a GE Labour would campaign to Remain. OK, he's not in charge, but that's rather an interesting change of stance. They seem to realise that a Tory Hard Brexit Party is determined to see off Farage so they have no alternative but to try and hold on to Remainers to reduce losses to Lib Dems. This would effectively force Soft Brexiters (if they exist by then) into an all-or-nothing choice.

 

Good to hear they are showing signs to have finally taken my repeated advice to heart....

 

This has been the policy for at least the last month lol.

Did anyone on BJ go to the Pro-Europea march in London last Saturday? I did (with the Liverpool for Europe group) and had a fantastic time. Would be good to know that some others from BJ were there. Met with some great people including a brilliant bloke from the Banbury for Europe group. The Dorset bunch were particularly vocal.

 

Billy Bragg was an unexpected bonus as well.

 

 

Dorset is where it all started, Unions-wise, and ol' Bill lives local - but Dorset generally is Brexit, sadly.

 

I'd hang around with the Liverpool group, I had a Scouse accent once upon a time :lol:

There's a demo planned in Brighton for the weekend of the Labour conference (21 Sep). I am expecting to be there.

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So hoping to be able to go on this one.

 

https://www.london4europe.co.uk/let_us_be_h...le_s_vote_march

 

I'm on Jury duty the two weeks leading up to it though - so hoping that whatever trial I get to be on (if I get to be on one - someone told me even if you are called for Jury duty - you may end up just waiting around to eventually not be needed!) will be over! May go down with the Liverpool group (or even the Lancashire/Yorkshire group - just think - nothing could unite the red rose and the white rose until Brexit came along!!!)

So hoping to be able to go on this one.

 

https://www.london4europe.co.uk/let_us_be_h...le_s_vote_march

 

I'm on Jury duty the two weeks leading up to it though - so hoping that whatever trial I get to be on (if I get to be on one - someone told me even if you are called for Jury duty - you may end up just waiting around to eventually not be needed!) will be over! May go down with the Liverpool group (or even the Lancashire/Yorkshire group - just think - nothing could unite the red rose and the white rose until Brexit came along!!!)

 

Why bother wasting your time though Kath? We're exiting the EU on 31st October if not before. Our new PM said so.

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Why bother wasting your time though Kath? We're exiting the EU on 31st October if not before. Our new PM said so.

 

You see Chris - this is where we differ! I'm willing to go out and do my bit instead of just sitting on a fat arse and putting an 'x' next to the box that says 'take control and we can have bendy bananas and eat our fish and chips out of a filthy newspaper!

 

Can I ask you Chris - how many 'pro-Brexit' marches have you ever been bothered to go on?

Why bother wasting your time though Kath? We're exiting the EU on 31st October if not before. Our new PM said so.

 

Politicians lie all the time lol. Like I've said before, as things stand right now I don't see a way that we exit the EU on October 31st.

 

Only way to break the deadlock is a General Election which neither of the main 2 parties are geared up for. The only strategy for the Tories will be to try and win over The Brexit voters, but doing that they will lose the middle-class swing voters who will vote Labour/LD. The ideal scenario in any General Election would be the LDs will say they will only form a coalition with Labour if Corbyn resigns as Leader.

Why bother wasting your time though Kath? We're exiting the EU on 31st October if not before. Our new PM said so.

 

 

Look at Boris' track record, with staying true to his word 😉

Why bother wasting your time though Kath? We're exiting the EU on 31st October if not before. Our new PM said so.

 

I'm afraid the signs are quite the opposite. Boris is currently sending out election propaganda, gathering email addresses of fanbases right now, in order to target the right messages at the right people (different messages obviously) and has brought in his cheating Vote Leave organiser to high office in readiness for a GE. he knows he can't make a deal with the EU - they won't change the backstop, and he was told in no uncertain terms by the ERG that even if he got an amended deal they won't support it.

 

So that means we are in the same situation. Parliament won't allow a No-Deal, the Far Right won't allow anything other than a No-Deal. The only remaining solution is a GE since Boris won't allow a Referendum (afraid they will lose). He's banking on his personal popularity being enough to bring voters in to give him the No-Deal Brexit that is the only way out for him for as long as the ERG hold power over the Tories.

 

He has to do it before Oct 31st, as to delay Brexit would show him to be a liar. To fail to deliver it would show him to be a liar. The only course of action for him is to moan about the EU being awkward, moan about Parliament being undemocratic, blame them and say "reluctantly what I promised is on hold because of those 2 awkward bast*rds, so please vote for me so I can carry out my promise".

 

 

 

 

Heard an MP earlier saying that an early election still may not solve the problem. What if the new PM after the election, Boris or Corbyn, still couldn't get May's deal through and the EU still wouldn't change it? Recind A50 and majorly annoy all the Brexiteers or have a referendum? Why does everyone seem to think that an election will suddenly change the make-up of the Commons so much that the deal goes through?

 

Oh and how can Parliament stop no deal? I heard another MP say it can't as it's now the default if nothing changes so Boris can just quietly let the clock run down and hope nobody notices! :o

Edited July 26, 20195 yr by Trump2020

Heard an MP earlier saying that an early election still may not solve the problem. What if the new PM after the election, Boris or Corbyn, still couldn't get May's deal through and the EU still wouldn't change it? Recind A50 and majorly annoy all the Brexiteers or have a referendum? Why does everyone seem to think that an election will suddenly change the make-up of the Commons so much that the deal goes through?

 

Oh and how can Parliament stop no deal? I heard another MP say it can't as it's now the default if nothing changes so Boris can just quietly let the clock run down and hope nobody notices! :o

Who is this "everybody"? You're the one who thinks the fat lying blond thing will win a majority. I have yet to see any political commentator predict a majority for anyone.

Heard an MP earlier saying that an early election still may not solve the problem. What if the new PM after the election, Boris or Corbyn, still couldn't get May's deal through and the EU still wouldn't change it? Recind A50 and majorly annoy all the Brexiteers or have a referendum? Why does everyone seem to think that an election will suddenly change the make-up of the Commons so much that the deal goes through?

 

Oh and how can Parliament stop no deal? I heard another MP say it can't as it's now the default if nothing changes so Boris can just quietly let the clock run down and hope nobody notices! :o

The prime minister can't suspend parliament now so they can vote on legislation to prevent no deal. They then have to agree on what to do at that point which is the hard part. They can try and extend but that is pointless without eu agreement. They can vote to rescind and have a referendum. They can bring down the gov for a GE.

 

Then anything could happen. Brexiters might split their votes between farage m blojo and both might suffer leading to a Labour gov in coalition with other parties with a remain policy.

 

Remain votes might be split as well. Leading to a holy electoral mess. At which point what's left? Referendum.

 

Blojo may rally his fans wipe out faraggarage and get the public support for a no deal referendum on which case it happens suddenly there's no prep there are vital shortages and the UK starts protesting big time about the lies they have told everyone. Or nothing happens it's all fine no shortages all countries of the world line up to give us the best trade deals ever by Xmas cos everyone loves a country that doesn't pay its bills and will sign any piece of shut offered to it just to get access to mass immigration into the UK.

 

That last bit might not be true. Btw Boris has abandoned any aspirations to control immigration under 100000 after we leave. That should go down well....

Heard an MP earlier saying that an early election still may not solve the problem. What if the new PM after the election, Boris or Corbyn, still couldn't get May's deal through and the EU still wouldn't change it? Recind A50 and majorly annoy all the Brexiteers or have a referendum? Why does everyone seem to think that an election will suddenly change the make-up of the Commons so much that the deal goes through?

 

A General Election will solve nothing, agreed. It's likely that Boris Johnson would want to push for one after passing the WA in order to secure a workable majority for his programme, but looking at the splits within the party occurring already that seems like a rapidly declining possibility right now.

Boris has apparently today given the EU an ultimatum. Either scrap the backstop or there'll be no further talks about a new deal. At last a PM who is getting tough with them. Maybe Trump's had a word in his ear. May was too soft with them. Trump told her to get tough and tell them in no uncertain terms what we wanted but she wouldn't listen and look where we are now.

Edited July 26, 20195 yr by Trump2020