You sound like a Catholic priest of the 16th C, insisting the Earth was the centre of the universe, based on nothing more than religious tradition... :rolleyes:

 

Oh for FF, please don't misrepresent the history of that time period and applying presentism. There was no observable SCIENTIFIC evidence at the time for the heliocentric view due to being unable to account for the stellar parallax, is wasn't until much later that it could be proven scientifically. If there was provable scientific evidence at the time for heliocentrism, the Catholic church would have had no problem accepting it, but the evidence of the time couldn't prove it.

Rang DVLA on Friday to ask for a certificate of entitlement to be posted to my address in Reykjavik. Should be here this week.

 

When it arrives I can swap my UK Drivers Licence for an Icelandic one.(UK Licence won't be valid in 3 weeks if that moron with a sh#t haircut gets his way) Once that comes, im completely covered.

 

The shitshow back home gets more embarrassing by the minute. No intention of returning.

I had to buy an international drivers permit the other day to tide me over after I arrive until I’m settled and have enough German under my belt to tackle the forms for swapping mine over. Shame it’s come to this

You sound like a Catholic priest of the 16th C, insisting the Earth was the centre of the universe, based on nothing more than religious tradition... :rolleyes:

 

Now let me remind *you* of some facts : there were no preconditions set, either of margin, turnout, or of country approval as a whole.

Let me remind you of some facts. Thresholds make no sense in an advisory referendum. That’s why the government ruled it out. You’ve been told this many times before, but you seem to have forgotten.

No-deal Brexit would 'push national debt to levels last seen in 60s'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/o...ast-seen-in-60s

 

Emergency tax cuts and higher public spending to offset the impact of a no-deal Brexit would send government debt to its highest level in more than half a century, according to Britain’s leading experts on the public finances.

 

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said the scale of the government response required to firefight a flatlining economy in the event of a disorderly departure from the EU would come with a hefty price tag for the public purse.

 

In a warning to Boris Johnson as his Brexit plan risked unravelling in the face of stiff opposition at home and abroad, the thinktank said government borrowing was already set to more than double next year regardless of the outcome of negotiations with Brussels.

 

It also said the national debt – the sum total of all borrowing accumulated by the British state – would hit almost 90% of GDP if Britain crashed out of the EU without a deal, its highest level since the mid-1960s.

 

Coming as the prime minister increases funding for healthcare, schools and police, the IFS said a mini-boom in public spending would be followed by another bust because the government would likely struggle to handle the impact of no-deal Brexit, which would shrink the size of the economy and cause debt levels to rise.

 

In a warning that a new wave of austerity could be introduced in the future to limit further debt increases, Paul Johnson, the director of the IFS, said: “You could well be on an upward spiral of debt and deficit – and in a world in which we have to go through another period of austerity to undo it.”

 

 

 

Then 17.4 million people will feel betrayed. It's setting one half of the country against the other, bit like a civil war.

 

No longer 17.4. Sorry. And 17.4 most certainly.did nor vore foe rhis shower of shit

 

This is a Tory brexshit designed to save their party and help hwdgefund backers. That's all. It's not.for you.

You sound like a Catholic priest of the 16th C, insisting the Earth was the centre of the universe, based on nothing more than religious tradition... :rolleyes:

 

Now let me remind *you* of some facts : there were no preconditions set, either of margin, turnout, or of country approval as a whole.

 

I can guarantee I am more scientific than you. Now let me remind YOU of some facts: 80% youth support for remain. Advisory ref so it didn't need safeguards. All EXPERTS were telling people like you the factw, but you refused to believe them. They were right. You no longer have 17.4 million.

There is no need to implement a split, 2 nation opinion poll.

No-deal Brexit would 'push national debt to levels last seen in 60s'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/o...ast-seen-in-60s

 

Emergency tax cuts and higher public spending to offset the impact of a no-deal Brexit would send government debt to its highest level in more than half a century, according to Britain’s leading experts on the public finances.

 

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said the scale of the government response required to firefight a flatlining economy in the event of a disorderly departure from the EU would come with a hefty price tag for the public purse.

 

In a warning to Boris Johnson as his Brexit plan risked unravelling in the face of stiff opposition at home and abroad, the thinktank said government borrowing was already set to more than double next year regardless of the outcome of negotiations with Brussels.

 

It also said the national debt – the sum total of all borrowing accumulated by the British state – would hit almost 90% of GDP if Britain crashed out of the EU without a deal, its highest level since the mid-1960s.

 

Coming as the prime minister increases funding for healthcare, schools and police, the IFS said a mini-boom in public spending would be followed by another bust because the government would likely struggle to handle the impact of no-deal Brexit, which would shrink the size of the economy and cause debt levels to rise.

 

In a warning that a new wave of austerity could be introduced in the future to limit further debt increases, Paul Johnson, the director of the IFS, said: “You could well be on an upward spiral of debt and deficit – and in a world in which we have to go through another period of austerity to undo it.”

 

Yeah but it will be worth it because the people voted to leave on 31 October and we save £1bn per week that can be used to offset against the no deal impact.

Lmaooo what??

 

That rubbish plan was turned down. This is what happens when you try and force through a split decision advisory opinion poll against the sdvicr of all experts annd no idea whag the opinion was and so go hard Tory.

Yeah but it will be worth it because the people voted to leave on 31 October and we save £1bn per week that can be used to offset against the no deal impact.

 

 

Well said. :)

This is vile from Leave.Eu. Politics of division and hate.

 

Also, as ever, pure Johnson spin on what happened with Merkel's call today, before anyone starts saying that Boris has been let down by Merkel playing hardball.

 

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Merkels representative has stated they’re not interested in statement ping pong but that it was a private conversation so they won’t be releasing details but Merkel stressed that she (and therefore Germany) would work until the last second for a deal

 

I.e. Boris is a lying c**t and that statement is absolute bullshit

 

 

You’ve got immature children trying to take on the worlds greatest stateswoman. Spectacular toxic masculinity if they even think they’re remotely capable of surviving a toe-to-toe with Merkel

Yep. The German side have came out and said they don't recognize this description of the talks and it's totally out of step with how Merkel handles such matters.

 

I can't believe how pathetic the UK government is being. Who exactly is going to be lining up to do trade deals with an unstrustworthy petty nation that doesn't honour its legal commitments?

 

Chris, care to take someone time away from your TV, cider, and general shying away from lifes responsibilities to comment?

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by mald487

And there was me thinking it was the UK government insisting that there should be no leaks from the talks.

Chris, care to take someone time away from your TV, cider, and general shying away from lifes responsibilities to comment?

 

 

Later as am watching Classic Corrie at present until 3.50. October 1993 now. Then have to go for my prescriptions so bit busy until 5ish.

 

Oh and FYI I don't drink in the daytime or Tuesday to Thursday inclusive at all.

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Okay just listening to Sky News who are reporting that a deal seems impossible, either now or at all because of Ireland. Johnson's new proposals seem dead in the water. The Government is clearly blaming the EU's intrasigence as they don't want us to leave. I think it's a crying shame that a country's electorate vote to leave the EU then we trigger Article 50 then Ireland and the EU do all they can to keep us in. :( There must be something in international law about that. Some comments on the Mail site saying Boris should just inform the EU that, okay no problem, we're out as of midnight tonight. Some very very angry Brexiteers commenting there and elsewhere too.

 

As someone on DS has just said, why doesn't Boris try to get May's deal through the Commons again now? Is her deal still on the table or not now? It may go through now as they're still saying we're leaving with no deal on 31st. Surely if it was no deal or May's deal it may be passed.

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by Common Sense

AND THERE WE HAVE IT!!

 

What we predicted all along. The incompetent Tories blaming the EU and Chris mindlessly guffawing and agreeing.

The way I see it, we could have 100 extensions and no deal can be agreed so we should just leave and be done. May's deal was the best we could have hoped for.

 

Sky saying the EU favour a long extension rather than another short one.

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by Common Sense

The way I see it, we could have 100 extensions and no deal can be agreed so we should just leave and be done.

Would you care to go back to some of the questions in this thread about no deal and try answering them?

Would you care to go back to some of the questions in this thread about no deal and try answering them?

 

 

I agree no deal may not be easy but no-one really knows as no-one has a crystal ball. People can predict what they think may happen ie all doom and gloom but nobody,not one single person knows for certain. It looks like it's between that and revoke now. To revoke without another referendum would be undemocratic. I doubt we'll ever leave now and it's just a huge kick in the teeth to all us Brexiteers. We'll survive, life will go on.

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by Common Sense

The English and blaming Ireland for their own failings, name a more iconic duo. You made your shit sandwich.