Rejecting these reasonable amendments is nothing about curtailing the power of EU institutions, and suggesting that is laughable. If we give the Tories the benefit of the doubt and say that they do actually intend for current EU migrants to be treated well, then it's still all about playing political games, 'because Boris wants it', to get one up on those pesky Remainers, when actually it very much affects people's lives. There's no reason to not give people documentation.

Rejecting these reasonable amendments is nothing about curtailing the power of EU institutions, and suggesting that is laughable. If we give the Tories the benefit of the doubt and say that they do actually intend for current EU migrants to be treated well, then it's still all about playing political games, 'because Boris wants it', to get one up on those pesky Remainers, when actually it very much affects people's lives. There's no reason to not give people documentation.

Emphatically this.

 

 

One of the amendments was on family reunification for refugees. That’s heehaw to do with the EU “having control” over the UK and all about the UKs moral and ethical compass. All were very reasonable common sense amendments to sensibly enact the withdrawal act. Nothing about them was “against the will of the people” or any other one of the brexiteers usual shrieks.

Yep. What those who have never been migrants might not always understand is that simply having laws out there protecting your status is only half the battle. You also need to be able to prove your status to the many, many people who aren't familiar with the law and how it specifically pertains to you. Having official documentation is really important for this.

 

British citizens resident in France were advised to bring housing, work contracts along with passports to the airport, in case of no deal, so that our passports might not be stamped as visitor (limiting us to a 90 day stay), as would be the default. This is because there wasn't and still isn't any documentation that proves our continued legal residency during the French grace period (not the same as the EU-wide transition period) during which we don't have to have a visa.

 

Note that the UK's hostile environment policy compels doctors, social workers, teachers and would-be landlords to also act as border security, and these professions don't, and ordinarily shouldn't, need to be up to speed with migration law. Not having documentation for situations like this only makes discrimination - and the High Court has determined that the hostile environment is indeed racially discriminatory - even more likely.

Absolutely! It’s a huge battle and national governments still haven’t put systems in place in a lot of the EU27. Agree and sympathise a lot with this post.

 

Is the French grace period the one that was to be enacted in the event of no deal? Or is this along with the transition period when we are technically fully entitled to free movement?

 

I have a print out from a website of the Berlin State Government that states I’ve applied to ask to stay post-Brexit. That’s all I’ve got. It is to be used as proof of entitlement to economic activity until I’ve got the proper docs - downside is that I can’t use it as proof of residence on re-entry. So after the transition period I’m literally stuck in Germany until I get all the proper documentation from the state government. And they’re absolutely non-committal on time frames for that.

From The Metro:

 

"Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal has become law after clearing all parliamentary hurdles and receiving royal assent. Some MPs cheered as deputy speaker Nigel Evans confirmed the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act had been given the Queen’s approval in a short announcement to the Commons. The Brexit bill still needs to be ratified by the EU but is expected to do so in time for the UK to leave as planned at 11pm on January 31. After more than three years of bitter disputes over how when and if Brexit would go ahead, the Prime Minister’s revised deal was finally approved by Parliament on Wednesday night."

 

 

Boris is quoted as saying, whilst smiling broadly "We've done it folks"

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From The Metro:

 

Much to the annoyance of the SNP who are said to be furious today, the Brexit Bill has today received Royal Assent from The Queen who signed it at Sandringham. It was brought back to London under armed police guard.

 

She signed it personally? She doesn't usually do that.

She signed it personally? She doesn't usually do that.

 

 

They use their words loosely sometimes. I know, never even leaves Parliament and is signed by a parliamentary official. Hope it gets through the EU now. Surely nothing can go wrong at the 11th hour Vid.

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Does anyone know why we leave at 11pm anyway and not midnight?

Does anyone know why we leave at 11pm anyway and not midnight?

Because 11pm UK time is midnight in Brussels

Because 11pm UK time is midnight in Brussels

 

 

Oh I see. Thanks. :)

They use their words loosely sometimes. I know, never even leaves Parliament and is signed by a parliamentary official. Hope it gets through the EU now. Surely nothing can go wrong at the 11th hour Vid.

 

AIUI, if they don't sign off on it, it's pretty much guarantees a hard brexit. :unsure:

AIUI, if they don't sign off on it, it's pretty much guarantees a hard brexit. :unsure:

 

 

Yes it does so they will do.

This IS a hard brexshit :rofl:

 

 

I see those Amendments were easily overturned in the HoC, and the HoL abided by the Salisbury Convention and passed it on its Second Reading. That was as predictable as the left-wing press giving it far less attention than they gave the initial Lords defeats... :teresa:

I haven't seen today's Guardian but I'm sure they covered the votes. Why wouldn't they?

From The Metro:

 

"Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal has become law after clearing all parliamentary hurdles and receiving royal assent. Some MPs cheered as deputy speaker Nigel Evans confirmed the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act had been given the Queen’s approval in a short announcement to the Commons. The Brexit bill still needs to be ratified by the EU but is expected to do so in time for the UK to leave as planned at 11pm on January 31. After more than three years of bitter disputes over how when and if Brexit would go ahead, the Prime Minister’s revised deal was finally approved by Parliament on Wednesday night."

Boris is quoted as saying, whilst smiling broadly "We've done it folks"

Yet another lie. I wonder when that big fat liar last told the truth.

This IS a hard brexshit :rofl:

 

 

Why not do the adult thing now and call it by it's proper name. BREXIT

Is that the same BREXSHIT word you said you wouldn't say? Remember, back when the Tory dictatorship tried to introduce more doublespeak by claiming no one would be allowed to call it that? You RUSHED to the dictatorship's defence and said you wouldn't either. I will though. He doesn't control me. Brexshit!

Is that the same BREXSHIT word you said you wouldn't say?

 

 

I have never used the one with the SH in it. Just think it doesn't look good if any new members wander in to here and no-one but you uses it.

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Why not call it The British Exit from the European Union instead of the jolly name the media and government have jumped on and pushed to make it more accessible and palatable as something to support rather than something abstract and complicated - which is what it in fact is.

I have never used the one with the SH in it. Just think it doesn't look good if any new members wander in to here and no-one but you uses it.

 

And how do you think your hard right pro-government unthinking propaganda looks? We went from the 60s and suspicion towards the ruling elite to, EvErYthIng ThEy SaY Is TrUe So AcCePt IT!!!!

Why not call it The British Exit from the European Union instead of the jolly name the media and government have jumped on and pushed to make it more accessible and palatable as something to support rather than something abstract and complicated - which is what it in fact is.

 

 

Bit too long-winded though. Brexit is short and sweet. :)