Violence against MPs is "worth it" if people get their way on Brexit, according to a majority of voters.

 

An academic survey by Cardiff University and the University of Edinburgh found a majority thought violence against members of Parliament could be a "price worth paying" if it meant their views prevailed.

 

The survey was based on polling by YouGov which found 71% of Leave voters in England, 60% in Scotland and 70% in Wales thought violence against MPs was a "price worth paying" for Brexit.

 

Those responding to the poll were also fine with seeing members of the public hurt. On both sides, people said protests in which some were "badly injured" would be a "price worth paying".

 

Among Leavers, it was 69% in England, 62% in Scotland and 70% in Wales.

 

f***ing hell :manson:

 

I'll direct everyone to this Tweet storm, which suggests that the questions in the survey were so poorly designed as if they wanted this these results to come from the survey for the purpose of shocking headlines. And as always, the link to the original data, and a reminder of Brett-Butler's Groovy Rule - If a source goes against your biases, question it. If it confirms your biases, question it MORE.

 

The good news is that now I can, once more, post "the video":

 

I'll direct everyone to this Tweet storm, which suggests that the questions in the survey were so poorly designed as if they wanted this these results to come from the survey for the purpose of shocking headlines. And as always, the link to the original data, and a reminder of Brett-Butler's Groovy Rule - If a source goes against your biases, question it. If it confirms your biases, question it MORE.

 

The surprising thing is that *both* the Guardian & Daily Mail covered it - normally that only happens to something like 'WW3 has started'. :lol:

 

The EU has said they will grant an extension but no decision will be made on length of it until next week. They're waiting to see if MP's vote for an election yet Corbyn wants to know the length of the extension before he decides how Labour will vote. So a stalemate really.

I'll direct everyone to this Tweet storm, which suggests that the questions in the survey were so poorly designed as if they wanted this these results to come from the survey for the purpose of shocking headlines. And as always, the link to the original data, and a reminder of Brett-Butler's Groovy Rule - If a source goes against your biases, question it. If it confirms your biases, question it MORE.

I think it was reported terribly by the Guardian with the removal of the word 'risk' etc., but I don't think the survey itself is too bad. It's true that more data could be useful to see what proportion of the ~50% of voters who believe violence is likely in case of X also believe that the risk of violence is worth it for X.

 

78% of Leave voters surveyed either actively want violence to happen or are fine with the risk. Even if every single person who believes there isn't actually a risk says that the 'risk' is worth it (contradictory answers, admittedly), that still leaves the majority of Leave voters who think violence could well happen believing that it's worth it.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Harve

The EU has said they will grant an extension but no decision will be made on length of it until next week. They're waiting to see if MP's vote for an election yet Corbyn wants to know the length of the extension before he decides how Labour will vote. So a stalemate really.

 

The PLP really don't want an election - they think if they can hold out until the EHRC report into anti-semitism in the Labour Party is due in January 2020 they might be able to get rid of Corbyn.

 

However, if you want to stop Brexit, the only real route to it is to hold a General Election.

 

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/20...t-in-limbo.html

 

That may sound a strange thing to say, given that Johnson himself is pushing for an election, now, weirdly, tying this giving more time to debate the WAB (not that much more, in fact). But - barring some very dramatic event - the only realistic route to remain now lies in a Labour administration – whether majority or minority – organizing another referendum (this would in turn entail yet another request to the EU for an extension).

 

The present parliament almost certainly isn’t going to vote, and legislate, for another referendum. On the other hand, if the WAB ever is debated by the present parliament then it is quite likely to end up passing. The Second Reading, after all, passed by 30 votes – allowing Johnson to make the wholly dishonest claim that his deal had been “passed” – and although many of those votes (it would only take 15) could peel away at Third Reading it looks plausible that it could squeak though. Even if it were heavily amended, most amendments (e.g. to seek a customs union) could easily be undone by a future government whereas, so long as it passed, then Brexit would have happened and there would be no way back. Also relevant here is that after 31 October there will be a new Speaker, who may well be less robust in defending the rights of parliament than John Bercow.

SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford being condemned on Twitter for this Tweet.

 

 

"People are not going to thank you for asking them to come out and vote in a general election when we're in the middle of winter."

 

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford says Boris Johnson's proposals for a December election are "barking mad."

 

 

People pointing out that most go to work, school and college in winter so why is this different?

 

Some saying "Brexiteers will walk the earth in blizzards to get Brexit done" LOL.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford being condemned on Twitter for this Tweet.

"People are not going to thank you for asking them to come out and vote in a general election when we're in the middle of winter."

 

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford says Boris Johnson's proposals for a December election are "barking mad."

People pointing out that most go to work, school and college in winter so why is this different?

 

Some saying "Brexiteers will walk the earth in blizzards to get Brexit done" LOL.

OK, here's a deal. A group of Leave supports (at least 1,000) can go to Siberia and go for a walk (at least ten miles) every time there is a blizzard for the next thirty years. In return, I'll accept us leaving the EU.

Just read this on Twitter. Made me laugh.

 

 

On a train pulling into Doncaster. A 4-yr-old just got up and said: "This is Yorkshire and if any of you are southern snobs who believe in cancelling our Brexit votes then don't bother getting off here."

The whole carriage stood up and applauded!

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

Just read this on Twitter. Made me laugh.

On a train pulling into Doncaster. A 4-yr-old just got up and said: "This is Yorkshire and if any of you are southern snobs who believe in cancelling our Brexit votes then don't bother getting off here."

The whole carriage stood up and applauded!

 

How sweet, a whole carriage of people who don't know what the f*** it is they've voted for. :lol: :lol:

 

I'm so embarrassed to be British right now.

How sweet, a whole carriage of people who don't know what the f*** it is they've voted for. :lol: :lol:

 

I'm so embarrassed to be British right now.

 

 

Oh I think they've a good idea. We're not all thick you know. We did consider the arguments.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

Oh I think they've a good idea. We're not all thick you know. We did consider the arguments.

If Leave voters knew what they were voting for, why has the government still not worked it out? Which particular bit of the withdrawal agreement did you vote for?

Just read this on Twitter. Made me laugh.

On a train pulling into Doncaster. A 4-yr-old just got up and said: "This is Yorkshire and if any of you are southern snobs who believe in cancelling our Brexit votes then don't bother getting off here."

The whole carriage stood up and applauded!

A contender for Didn’t Happen of the Year Award

 

https://twitter.com/_dhotya?lang=en

It should have read 'a personal with the equivalent mental age of 4 years old'.

If Leave voters knew what they were voting for, why has the government still not worked it out? Which particular bit of the withdrawal agreement did you vote for?

 

 

The bit that says we're LEAVING THE EU. :)

SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford being condemned on Twitter for this Tweet.

"People are not going to thank you for asking them to come out and vote in a general election when we're in the middle of winter."

 

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford says Boris Johnson's proposals for a December election are "barking mad."

People pointing out that most go to work, school and college in winter so why is this different?

 

Some saying "Brexiteers will walk the earth in blizzards to get Brexit done" LOL.

What’s the furthest north in the UK you’ve been?

 

I doubt it’s to his constituency way way way up north in the highlands where a lot of places don’t have street lights never mind phone coverage - here you’ve got 6.5hrs of daylight in the winter, that’s a lot of time at the polls in the pitch black. It also gets a hella lot of snow. So no, no one will thank the Tories for dragging us to an election in the middle of winter

What’s the furthest north in the UK you’ve been?

 

 

BARNSLEY. :D

What’s the furthest north in the UK you’ve been?

 

I doubt it’s to his constituency way way way up north in the highlands where a lot of places don’t have street lights never mind phone coverage - here you’ve got 6.5hrs of daylight in the winter, that’s a lot of time at the polls in the pitch black. It also gets a hella lot of snow. So no, no one will thank the Tories for dragging us to an election in the middle of winter

 

 

Do you expect our busy hard-working PM to think of one constituency way up there when deciding when it's best to hold an election?

Just read this on Twitter. Made me laugh.

On a train pulling into Doncaster. A 4-yr-old just got up and said: "This is Yorkshire and if any of you are southern snobs who believe in cancelling our Brexit votes then don't bother getting off here."

The whole carriage stood up and applauded!

 

I'm applauding this person's vivid imagination!

Oh I think they've a good idea. We're not all thick you know. We did consider the arguments.

 

 

Tell me. How do you think your life will personally improve after Brexit?

 

Please avoid abstract meaningless slogans like "take back control" or "less immigrants from the EU".

 

I would like to hear how your life will ACTUALLY improve.

 

 

.....

 

I´m waiting. :)

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by mald487

The bit that says we're LEAVING THE EU. :)

And the most [predictable response of the year award goes to...

 

Please explain how any of it will make the UK a better p[lace to live. Not just Sun-headline slogans, some actual detail of how the agreement's provisions will improve our lives.