Reports coming out this evening of a maternity ward and children's hospital bombed in Mariupol, which has been under siege by Russia for almost 2 weeks now. Utterly contemptible, I just don't have any words.

 

I see that the UK government keeps trotting out this line about 'security risks' as a barrier to refugee access when Boris Johnson himself dismissed warnings from the UK intelligence services in 2020 not to give a peerage to Evgeny Lebedev, the son of a Russian oligarch and former KGB agent. Hypocrisy on steroids.

As of Priti Patels bullying and demoralising her staff isn’t a security risk

As of Priti Patels bullying and demoralising her staff isn’t a security risk

 

The Spectator (usually a pro- Conservative magazine) have quite a brutal front cover.

 

In amongst the blatant Russian propaganda pieces („has the west miscalculated“??? Really? Everyone sane is asking about Putin miscalculating.) that is quite devastating but also entirely true.

 

The UK gov has massively misread the temperature of the uk population. Probably because the population is thinking among the lines of the populace of Poland etc. White people fleeing war =/= security risks. They look just like us etc etc

It's becoming increasingly different for Western countries to justify not sending more military help to Ukraine, and yes boots on the ground after last night.

 

The refugee thing is ridiculous, throw open the doors for crying out loud.

Its not like those of us with minds in our heads didn't warn the UK population of the nature of Boris Johnson's government.

 

At which point do people wake up and realise "hmm, their actions keep suggesting they are absolutely heartless, greedy, selfish monsters...perhaps they actually are and it isn't all political 4d chess?"

It's becoming increasingly different for Western countries to justify not sending more military help to Ukraine, and yes boots on the ground after last night.

 

The refugee thing is ridiculous, throw open the doors for crying out loud.

 

I'm guessing it's that Putin might nuke the world to smithereens. But in some ways I think it might be worth calling his bluff. All extinct in 20 years anyhow as noone gives a monkey's about the environment.

The Spectator (usually a pro- Conservative magazine) have quite a brutal front cover.

 

The Spectator is normally racist and quite evil (just see some of their commentators) so they are a fine one to talk.

It's so depressing when you can see a car crash coming and are powerless to stop it. I'm talking about the electorate voting for Johnson, and Putin's insane attempts to be remembered in the history books one way or the other, as opposed to a minor vile hitman dictator.

Wondered whether to post about this in the Tory thread, especially as its rightly discussing the despicable inhumane policy re: asylum of Ukranian refugees but there is this new scheme introduced by Michael Gove (who is from all I hear one of the better Tories in the cabinet, although that says loads about the rest). Looks like Patel is being overruled thankfully. And thought post here to focus on the needs of the Ukranians who are fleeing the conflict.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/...for-rooms-offer

 

You can get a £350 grant a month to house Ukranian refugees which seems sensible subject to suitable vetting. I would definitely consider if I had the rooming and if I did in the future. The scheme has come under partial criticism as they say that a the people that house the refugees will not have the appropriate training to help the refugees with the trauma they will inevitably feel but I consider the most important thing is to get them housed and safe and I'm sure that if this scheme does work well, there will be a lot of support networks both for the refugees and the hosts to deal with these issues as they come along.

 

Now let's open our borders and let as many as we can realistically in. It's human nature really.

Wondered whether to post about this in the Tory thread, especially as its rightly discussing the despicable inhumane policy re: asylum of Ukranian refugees but there is this new scheme introduced by Michael Gove (who is from all I hear one of the better Tories in the cabinet, although that says loads about the rest). Looks like Patel is being overruled thankfully. And thought post here to focus on the needs of the Ukranians who are fleeing the conflict.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/...for-rooms-offer

 

You can get a £350 grant a month to house Ukranian refugees which seems sensible subject to suitable vetting. I would definitely consider if I had the rooming and if I did in the future. The scheme has come under partial criticism as they say that a the people that house the refugees will not have the appropriate training to help the refugees with the trauma they will inevitably feel but I consider the most important thing is to get them housed and safe and I'm sure that if this scheme does work well, there will be a lot of support networks both for the refugees and the hosts to deal with these issues as they come along.

 

Now let's open our borders and let as many as we can realistically in. It's human nature really.

 

To me the government scheme is just a massive cop out by putting the responsibility on ordinary people when they should have a properly functioning home office as well as the facilities to not only house/look after refugees/asylum seekers (not just Ukranians but also Afghans/Syrians and others) but also have professionals giving them the help they need. The massive cuts via austerity during the 2010s has really hurt the UK hard on so many fronts.

 

I'm not sure how well this scheme is going to work, especially not knowing the criteria for matching people. It could be another "show" policy whereby the amount of people that manage to use the scheme is very little due to tough/restrictive criteria. A big issue will be the language barrier for many.

 

 

True, there is talk about a lot of people wanting to volunteer their homes which is admirable and it could be a good quick solution but I agree that the numbers that are housed and the speed of it will be the main measure of success. It goes without saying, this scheme should be in tandem with lots more government help.

Gary Lineker has already taken in refugees in his own house, in advance of the usual far right "if you want 'em here, you take 'em into your house then" anti-immigrant bullshit. And no it's not for the just-announced £350 a month, or £75 quid a week. Presumably some will lose the single-person tax rebate, and have it regarded as income to be taxed. Just being cynical, I have no evidence for those...

Wondered whether to post about this in the Tory thread, especially as its rightly discussing the despicable inhumane policy re: asylum of Ukranian refugees but there is this new scheme introduced by Michael Gove (who is from all I hear one of the better Tories in the cabinet, although that says loads about the rest). Looks like Patel is being overruled thankfully. And thought post here to focus on the needs of the Ukranians who are fleeing the conflict.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/...for-rooms-offer

 

You can get a £350 grant a month to house Ukranian refugees which seems sensible subject to suitable vetting. I would definitely consider if I had the rooming and if I did in the future. The scheme has come under partial criticism as they say that a the people that house the refugees will not have the appropriate training to help the refugees with the trauma they will inevitably feel but I consider the most important thing is to get them housed and safe and I'm sure that if this scheme does work well, there will be a lot of support networks both for the refugees and the hosts to deal with these issues as they come along.

 

Now let's open our borders and let as many as we can realistically in. It's human nature really.

 

 

So how many will you take in then? Just curious. Is that £350 each person as no way would it be enough for a family as they'll eat about that a month in food.

Wondered whether to post about this in the Tory thread, especially as its rightly discussing the despicable inhumane policy re: asylum of Ukranian refugees but there is this new scheme introduced by Michael Gove (who is from all I hear one of the better Tories in the cabinet, although that says loads about the rest). Looks like Patel is being overruled thankfully. And thought post here to focus on the needs of the Ukranians who are fleeing the conflict.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/...for-rooms-offer

 

You can get a £350 grant a month to house Ukranian refugees which seems sensible subject to suitable vetting. I would definitely consider if I had the rooming and if I did in the future. The scheme has come under partial criticism as they say that a the people that house the refugees will not have the appropriate training to help the refugees with the trauma they will inevitably feel but I consider the most important thing is to get them housed and safe and I'm sure that if this scheme does work well, there will be a lot of support networks both for the refugees and the hosts to deal with these issues as they come along.

 

Now let's open our borders and let as many as we can realistically in. It's human nature really.

 

 

DELETED. Was a bit harsh last night maybe. Poor people.

Edited March 14, 20223 yr by cider man

Interesting thread here from Kamil Galeev discussing game theory and how to effectively defeat Putin - they've written and published a number of really interesting threads over the last few weeks that have really helped me to develop a deeper understanding of the conflict. If you've a spare 15 minutes or so, it's well worth a deep dive.

 

Consider sizes of countries where Putin waged his wars in chronological order:

 

1. Chechnya, 1999 - 1 million

2. Georgia, 2009 - 4 million

3. Syria, 2015 - 17 million

4. Ukraine, 2022 - 44 million

 

He's scaling up and quickly. Each time he chooses a bigger prey. So far it worked

 

If you want the tl;dr- counterintuitively it's to be unpredictable and threaten escalation... in order to defeat Putin playing predictable is suicidal when your adversary is trying to hack your strategy. If he is sure, you're dove, he'll play hawk and scale up. That's how WWII happened and WWIII will. Don't project too predictable image

 

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So how many will you take in then? Just curious. Is that £350 each person as no way would it be enough for a family as they'll eat about that a month in food.

 

I said in my post I don't have the rooms to accommodate (if that changes then I would) but the point is that there are a large number people willing to host the refugees in their spare rooms. There is not a suggestion that people will be obliged to accomodate if they don't want to. Think it's £350 for one or more refugees housed.

So Instagram was officially blocked in Russia midnight starting yesterday. No way this will end on it though. Next up Youtube, Twitter and Tiktok I guess.

 

So how many will you take in then? Just curious.

:rolleyes:

Apparently Russia is asking.China for military hardware for the war!! What happened to this modernised conventional Russian army we heard so much about? Putin's aggression ahould make NATO countries start spending more, but the paper tiger military might not feel that imposing to countries far from the border, hmm, so military spending could go either way.

Given that Putin has brought in a law that can give those who disrespect government or spread 'fake news' up to 15 years in prison, this is a very brave woman!

 

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The employee, from the Russian state-run Channel One, burst onto the set of the live broadcast of the nightly news on Monday evening, shouting: “Stop the war! No to war!”

 

The protester, who was identified by Russian media as Channel One employee Marina Ovsyannikova, was also holding a sign in Russian which can be interpreted as: “Don’t believe the propaganda. They’re lying to you here.”