And of course, diseases never mutate and get potentially even more lethal when left to their own devices. Never happens. Fake news.

I agree with everything but this. The chances of a virus mutating to a deathlier version AND it still spreading are next to none.

 

A virus' main goal is not to kill, but to procreate and spread. If a deathlier trait mutates it'd first need to procreste faster than the others versions in the bloodstream and even then it'll most likely be contained to a few as it'd kill the host faster than it can spread, therefor lowering the R0 and eridicating that version of the virus.

Oh my god.

 

I just found out 10 minutes ago that a uni friend of mine had the virus (if I'm honest I didn't even know he had it) and passed away last night.

 

This feels so numb. wtf.

Edited April 2, 20205 yr by Harve

I can't believe the situation in Sweden is still business as usual! Either the citizens are extremely trustworthy or it's all gonna go to shit there.

 

Mind you, still not as insane as Belarus - still playing football matches there with 3000+ people attending, wtf.

If we lived in a fully-functioning democracy with a relatively non-partisan press, this is how a press conference might have gone earlier this week...

 

Gove: We are now doing over 10,000 tests a day.

Journalist: Oh, good. What is the highest number of tests carried out in one day?

G: Just over 9,000.

J: Ah, not 10,000 then. OK, on how many other days have there been at least 9,000 tests?

G: Er, none.

J: OK, so you are not conducting 10,000 tests per day. How come Germany can do 70,000 tests?

G: Per week?

J: No, every day.

G: Ah, well, we are experiencing problems getting some of the chemicals needed.

J: But the chemicals industry say that there are no supply problems.

G: Er,.....

 

Sadly, we have a press that thinks its role should be as cheerleaders for Johnson so it went more like this.

 

G: We are now doing over 10,000 tests a day.

J: Oh, well done!

 

Indeed, the tory press is only now a month into this crisis beginning to criticise their friends in the government. I can only imagine what would have happened with a PM Corbyn.

 

Are you talking about the ideologue Michael Gove who employed Dominic Cummings into the Dept. Of Education in 2010 to force through free Schools and academies even though the Lib Dems raised concerns over the effect it was having on the civil servants in place in the department?

 

Surely not...

 

 

 

I worry for all the people who live in tower blocks and similar housing, surely it's harder to stay safe and distance when using lifts and stairs?

I can't believe the situation in Sweden is still business as usual! Either the citizens are extremely trustworthy or it's all gonna go to shit there.

 

Mind you, still not as insane as Belarus - still playing football matches there with 3000+ people attending, wtf.

 

Thats the difference tbh. In Sweden the people are actually being responsible. Everyone is distancing, everyone is being hygienic, everyone has seen the rest of the world go to crap so they're taking extreme precautions. Belarus on the other hand has a president who has encouraged citizens to drink vodka and visit the sauna at least twice a week to stay healthy.

 

"Swedes have a lot of trust in authorities and public agencies to act in the public interest"

 

I guess that says it all tbh

Thats the difference tbh. In Sweden the people are actually being responsible. Everyone is distancing, everyone is being hygienic, everyone has seen the rest of the world go to crap so they're taking extreme precautions. Belarus on the other hand has a president who has encouraged citizens to drink vodka and visit the sauna at least twice a week to stay healthy.

 

"Swedes have a lot of trust in authorities and public agencies to act in the public interest"

 

I guess that says it all tbh

 

Swedes aren't social distancing from the report I seen in newsnight lastnyt, they were all in coffee shops etc sitting beside each other.

 

How many deaths have there been in Sweden so far?

Swedes aren't social distancing from the report I seen in newsnight lastnyt, they were all in coffee shops etc sitting beside each other.

 

How many deaths have there been in Sweden so far?

4,927 cases

239 deaths

113 recovered

ticking time bomb if anything.

Yeahhh nope my info is outdated

 

~retract previous statement, best wishes sweden

I agree with everything but this. The chances of a virus mutating to a deathlier version AND it still spreading are next to none.

 

A virus' main goal is not to kill, but to procreate and spread. If a deathlier trait mutates it'd first need to procreste faster than the others versions in the bloodstream and even then it'll most likely be contained to a few as it'd kill the host faster than it can spread, therefor lowering the R0 and eridicating that version of the virus.

 

Yes that's true and successful viruses are hard to get rid of for that reason, especially if they mutate only slightly but just enough to keep ahead of building immunity to it. If they kill the host after it's spread, though, it will sadly also take away the host as well as itself until it runs out of hosts - at which point it dies out forever or mutates to another species or to a less-lethal version to whatever hosts are left. It's natural selection at work, predator and prey, boom and bust, there are almost always some individuals of any species that have a lucky immunity to something, or just somehow miss catching it, but you only have to look at spreading infections in the plant world that can devastate the host-species to see it can kill vast numbers.

Oh my god.

 

I just found out 10 minutes ago that a uni friend of mine had the virus (if I'm honest I didn't even know he had it) and passed away last night.

 

This feels so numb. wtf.

 

So sorry to hear this, terrible news to hear...

Yes that's true and successful viruses are hard to get rid of for that reason, especially if they mutate only slightly but just enough to keep ahead of building immunity to it. If they kill the host after it's spread, though, it will sadly also take away the host as well as itself until it runs out of hosts - at which point it dies out forever or mutates to another species or to a less-lethal version to whatever hosts are left. It's natural selection at work, predator and prey, boom and bust, there are almost always some individuals of any species that have a lucky immunity to something, or just somehow miss catching it, but you only have to look at spreading infections in the plant world that can devastate the host-species to see it can kill vast numbers.

 

Obviously a virus can ravage through society, which is why I would never agree with the Swedish thing. I was merely pointing out that virusses hardly ever mutate to a deathlier version of themselves.

 

Covid is deathly enough of itself to weaker people but not deathly enough to kill hosts off immediately, so that's the danger in this one and why it has continued to spread as fast.

 

If it would mutate to deathlier (aka killing off hosts faster cause the hospitals can't treat al the symptoms fast enough) it would have a lesser lifespan and a lower R0

Today marks the first day that someone I know has died from this. It’s really horrible as the family affected only just lost one of their daughters at Christmas :cry:

Oh my god.

 

I just found out 10 minutes ago that a uni friend of mine had the virus (if I'm honest I didn't even know he had it) and passed away last night.

 

This feels so numb. wtf.

Oh my god, Harvey :(

Swedes aren't social distancing from the report I seen in newsnight lastnyt, they were all in coffee shops etc sitting beside each other.

 

Especially in a cooler climate where the virus may spread a bit easier that is highly worrying. As we saw with the UK initially, any form of 'herd immunity' plan is far too risky to be a sensible option.

 

I expect this week the Swedish government will have to bow to the inevitable and introduce lockdown measures.

 

Belarus is another country which apparently isn't doing much in terms of enforcing social distancing but may be forced to soon.

Edited April 2, 20205 yr by Social Hisstance

Oh my god.

 

I just found out 10 minutes ago that a uni friend of mine had the virus (if I'm honest I didn't even know he had it) and passed away last night.

 

This feels so numb. wtf.

 

That's awful...didn't sound like he was that old if he was a university friend too :(

 

Everyone on Buzzjack, make sure you, your friends and family stay safe, my family for instance are even wiping down any groceries they get in their weekly shop with sanitiser wipes, can never be too careful.

Oh my god.

 

I just found out 10 minutes ago that a uni friend of mine had the virus (if I'm honest I didn't even know he had it) and passed away last night.

 

This feels so numb. wtf.

 

 

Today marks the first day that someone I know has died from this. It’s really horrible as the family affected only just lost one of their daughters at Christmas :cry:

*Sending big virtual hugs*

 

 

Sorry to hear that you've lost your friends harve and dandy...stay safe *hugs*

Especially in a cooler climate where the virus may spread a bit easier that is highly worrying. As we saw with the UK initially, any form of 'herd immunity' plan is far too risky to be a sensible option.

 

I expect this week the Swedish government will have to bow to the inevitable and introduce lockdown measures.

 

Belarus is another country which apparently isn't doing much in terms of enforcing social distancing but may be forced to soon.

 

Belarus is the only country in Europe still playing their football league.

Today marks the first day that someone I know has died from this. It’s really horrible as the family affected only just lost one of their daughters at Christmas :cry:

 

Sorry to hear that :cry: