Quite a few young people, 19, 20, 21 and later 20's in hospital in Manchester in ICU now. They're trying to emphasise that the young don't always get it mildly.

 

The numbers show the younger you are the more chance you will have of recovering but it’s just simply a lottery so anyone can die from it.

So apparently loads of teachers have been told by their schools not to use the NHS Test and Trace app as it keeps alerting them to close positive cases and instructing them to self isolate for fourteen days even after receiving a negative test result. It’s supposedly causing chaos in some schools.

 

We had a depressing Covid meeting first thing today and one teacher said we need to prioritise our own health over the children’s education. There’s a point in there but I really don’t think the education is that trivial.

 

While I think education is important I absolutely think health comes first. You only get one shot at that whereas education can be resat or caught up on.

 

If I'm honest I get worried seeing the attitude otherwise, from people working in healthcare too. The first thing we learnt in first aid was to assure your own safety first as if you go everyone loses their asset.

I'm taking Vitamin D tablets every day now. For the sake of £2 for 120 tablets and a loss of natural sunlight it seems a no brainer. There are loads of articles from scientists and researchers saying higher levels of Vitamin D minimises the risk of Covid. Really don't know why local public health are not advising us to take supplements (well, I guess black market and stockpiling) and eat cereal.

How are y’all getting so many notifications off the NHS app. Jesus just how bad is it where you are?

 

I’ve never had anything off the Corona Warn App and I’m in Germany’s hot spot

I'm taking Vitamin D tablets every day now. For the sake of £2 for 120 tablets and a loss of natural sunlight it seems a no brainer. There are loads of articles from scientists and researchers saying higher levels of Vitamin D minimises the risk of Covid. Really don't know why local public health are not advising us to take supplements (well, I guess black market and stockpiling) and eat cereal.

 

 

I take a multi-vitamin every day which has 100% vitamin D in it. Everyone should imo.

Intake vitamin d and c tablets. The c tabs are actually nice a bit like lucozade.

 

Haven’t had any app notifications yet even though floors in our work have closed due to it!

I've just read an article on Facebook about how a woman who was told to self isolate by a test and trace worker, refused to do what the worker told her, went to a pub and got landed with a £1000 fine because the test and trace app located her 😂

But what beggars belief is the amount of people in the comment section saying, 'well don't download the app and then you wouldn't get caught.'

Or 'How dare this woman live her life'. I'm also pretty sure she had a positive test after this happened.

 

They way I see it is she had the virus, went to a pub, potentially passed it on to others who may live with older relatives who could also be of ill health. Those relatives go shopping the next day, again potentially passing covid onto others and in effect is contributing to hospitalisations and deaths. I don't know if I'm in the minority, although it feels it sometimes but I wish everyone would follow the rules and advice until a vaccine is found or its brought under control so we can have some sort of normality.

 

I for one want to see my neices and nephews, brothers and sisters and my mum who all live at the opposite end of the country 😡😡😡

I've just read an article on Facebook about how a woman who was told to self isolate by a test and trace worker, refused to do what the worker told her, went to a pub and got landed with a £1000 fine because the test and trace app located her 😂

But what beggars belief is the amount of people in the comment section saying, 'well don't download the app and then you wouldn't get caught.'

Or 'How dare this woman live her life'. I'm also pretty sure she had a positive test after this happened.

 

They way I see it is she had the virus, went to a pub, potentially passed it on to others who may live with older relatives who could also be of ill health. Those relatives go shopping the next day, again potentially passing covid onto others and in effect is contributing to hospitalisations and deaths. I don't know if I'm in the minority, although it feels it sometimes but I wish everyone would follow the rules and advice until a vaccine is found or its brought under control so we can have some sort of normality.

 

I for one want to see my neices and nephews, brothers and sisters and my mum who all live at the opposite end of the country 😡😡😡

 

It doesn't matter what measures we have in place, if people are not isolated properly when they have the virus or are told to isolate, we will always be going round in circles. It's a deadly virus but the only way we can really contain it, is a lockdown. Or using some pretty dark almost prison esque methods.

 

If you look at all of the good cases of countries that have managed/eradicated the virus, they have all used some pretty draconian methods (New Zealand, Australia, China).

 

Anyway what does it matter when MPs are getting a £3,000 payrise and the rest of the country is suffering with economic downfall :D :lol:

I'm not so sure about Vitamin D supplements, I've never taken any and haven't had a flu since January 2011 - that one made me so weak that I almost missed a day of work but unfortunately for me it came on strong during my last night shift so I was ill on my days off.

It doesn't matter what measures we have in place, if people are not isolated properly when they have the virus or are told to isolate, we will always be going round in circles. It's a deadly virus but the only way we can really contain it, is a lockdown. Or using some pretty dark almost prison esque methods.

 

If you look at all of the good cases of countries that have managed/eradicated the virus, they have all used some pretty draconian methods (New Zealand, Australia, China).

 

Anyway what does it matter when MPs are getting a £3,000 payrise and the rest of the country is suffering with economic downfall :D :lol:

 

Oh yeah, I saw that about ten minutes ago. They're proposing a stop to the rise of minimum/living wage next year as well are they not?

It's rediculous they they're getting a payrise just now. I suppose they're excuse would be that they are working extra hard because of the pandemic :drama:

I'm not so sure about Vitamin D supplements, I've never taken any and haven't had a flu since January 2011 - that one made me so weak that I almost missed a day of work but unfortunately for me it came on strong during my last night shift so I was ill on my days off.

 

There's a few studies that it lessens the effect and boosts your immune system. I've personally never taken them before and never had the flu (I had glandular fever in 2012 which wiped me out for a few weeks). But just seems simple as we have less of it during autumn/winter. For the sake of a couple of quid its a no brianer for me.

I've just read an article on Facebook about how a woman who was told to self isolate by a test and trace worker, refused to do what the worker told her, went to a pub and got landed with a £1000 fine because the test and trace app located her 😂

But what beggars belief is the amount of people in the comment section saying, 'well don't download the app and then you wouldn't get caught.'

Or 'How dare this woman live her life'. I'm also pretty sure she had a positive test after this happened.

 

They way I see it is she had the virus, went to a pub, potentially passed it on to others who may live with older relatives who could also be of ill health. Those relatives go shopping the next day, again potentially passing covid onto others and in effect is contributing to hospitalisations and deaths. I don't know if I'm in the minority, although it feels it sometimes but I wish everyone would follow the rules and advice until a vaccine is found or its brought under control so we can have some sort of normality.

 

I for one want to see my neices and nephews, brothers and sisters and my mum who all live at the opposite end of the country 😡😡😡

 

Yeh people are thick sometimes just goes to show how previleged we are to live in a free society in normal time’s. a journalist in ni Steven Nolan did a piece on his show this week showing him harassing people coming out of shops without a mask and asking them why and most just laughed and said they don’t care and most people on social media were on the side of the people found guilty.

Maybe this will help anti-mask people understand.

 

Yeh people are thick sometimes just goes to show how previleged we are to live in a free society in normal time’s. a journalist in ni Steven Nolan did a piece on his show this week showing him harassing people coming out of shops without a mask and asking them why and most just laughed and said they don’t care and most people on social media were on the side of the people found guilty.

 

Those will be the same people that are complaining about pubs shutting in the central belt of Scotland or Northern England, if that happens. It just annoys me. Wearing a mask won't do anyone any harm. If everyone wore a mask, we'd all mostly be safe. Look at China. Yes the outbreak started there, but now look, almost covid free and has been for months. They don't do anything differently except wear masks 🤷🏻‍♂️

Those will be the same people that are complaining about pubs shutting in the central belt of Scotland or Northern England, if that happens. It just annoys me. Wearing a mask won't do anyone any harm. If everyone wore a mask, we'd all mostly be safe. Look at China. Yes the outbreak started there, but now look, almost covid free and has been for months. They don't do anything differently except wear masks 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I mean, that's what China want you believe. The reality is that is not the case. Very similar to New Zealand and Australia, to control the virus you have lock it down. There is absolutely no way China have eradicated the virus just by wearing masks. Quite simply they got out of the mess through mass testing and then literally locking people up who turn positive tests. It's what Italy are doing as well. Wearing a mask certainly helps although I still see more people with masks on than with masks off.

 

As I've said before, until we physically quarantine people a lot of these measures just fall on deaf ears.

 

There's masks in China, but there are also temperature scanners, enforced scan at any public entrance (with high temperatures turned away), and you have to have a QR code (localised to your city) that is normally green but will go red and deny you access to anywhere if you come into contact with a case, and fines at the very least if you are found positive and don't report it. There's a lot they're doing that the British government is not, and they're not even on high alert anymore.

 

They aren't restricting many activities now, but they act quickly whenever an official case is reported (can't speak for its current spread but no one knows that, I just know I've seen no sign of it). I have heard anecdotes about the odd nightmare quarantine for inbound travellers but for the most part they've got the virus under control and that's through never ever letting up on it, using all of the technology and prevention available to them and having a population willing to be compliant.

There's masks in China, but there are also temperature scanners, enforced scan at any public entrance (with high temperatures turned away), and you have to have a QR code (localised to your city) that is normally green but will go red and deny you access to anywhere if you come into contact with a case, and fines at the very least if you are found positive and don't report it. There's a lot they're doing that the British government is not, and they're not even on high alert anymore.

 

They aren't restricting many activities now, but they act quickly whenever an official case is reported (can't speak for its current spread but no one knows that, I just know I've seen no sign of it). I have heard anecdotes about the odd nightmare quarantine for inbound travellers but for the most part they've got the virus under control and that's through never ever letting up on it, using all of the technology and prevention available to them and having a population willing to be compliant.

 

I think if the Covid-19 pandemic has taught us anything is that the rest of the world outside of Australasia and Asia is certainly not prepared for a pandemic. I know SARS, bird flu, MERS etc. were a bigger risk over in Asia to start with so there are lot of the fundamental controls which lots of Europe got so wrong. I totally agree around the compliance, but this is largely down to China itself. The same problems we are seeing in the UK are happening all over Europe and the Americas. If people are not scared of the virus or of the consequences of their actions then we are always going to be on the losing foot.

Gobsmacked that Angela Merkel has given Germany "10 days to get the infection rate down" as opposed to imposing extra restrictions straight away. Has she been completely ignoring the worsening situation in France, Spain and the UK?! Makes me feel better about some of our government's decisions :')

I don’t understand why people find it so hard to self isolate. I’m not even ill and I’ve not left the house in about 10 days, with the pubs closed the only reason I would leave is for shopping and we’re still doing once a month shops so all good.

 

I don’t even realise half the time that I’ve not left to get exercise or anything. :lol:

Except that is not what she’s said at all. Even if you read the BBC tl;dr version instead of someone like Deutsche Welle who have a much more detailed article.

 

 

Germany’s biggest driver in cases are its major cities. Berlin and Bremen have the worst 7 day rates at the moment of the 16 federal states. She met with Mayors of 11 cities including Berlin and it was agreed that any city having cases of more than 50/100k per 7 days would adopt Berlins new restrictions on gathering and it’s quasi curfew on alcohol sales/restaurants and bars immediately. That includes Frankfurt and several other cities as well as Berlin.

 

Other measures introduced for these hot spots include stricter mask and social distance measures.

 

 

Also agreed today is that when cases are over 35 (/100k per 7 days) for the area the local authorities would bring in the RKI and the military to assist with contact tracing. Berlin was pushing for this as the district of Berlin-Neukölln has been struggling to keep up a little with their heavily increased case load (143 is the 7 day rate)

 

 

Far from nothing it’s a series of targeted measures to combat the hot spots with a warning that the country will get restrictions as a whole if things aren’t contained. Currently there isn’t a need for nationwide restrictions when you have several states with very low incidence rates (eg MVP) and evidence that it is city nightlife that is driving infections. The city of Köln for example is at a rate of 49.8 compared to Sachsen-Anhalt as a state who have a 5.9 incidence rate. You can’t have the same measures for both, its not borne out by the evidence.

 

 

 

Think people also need to remember that Germany has been slow, measured and considered the whole way through. Merkel doesn’t move fast, on anything. She waits. Sees the evidence and then moves. Until the sudden leap to over 4K we had been maintaining a 2-2,5k a day rate for a number of weeks with no evidence we were following in the path of other countries. The same for Italy. After 2 days of higher rates she has reacted to the situation in front of her and targeted the big cities. If that works then there’s no need to go further. The UK media only reports Germany when there’s a big spike with little context and little coverage at other times. Merkel and Spahn have been on tv, in parliament and in media for weeks here warning that we could see infections spike and warning of measures to come if things deteriorated. This is the next step in the programme we were forewarned about. Just because the British media hasn’t spoon fed it to you doesn’t mean that nothing has been happening or that nothing is happening.

 

 

As for that last sentence, lol. You’re entitled to your opinion but just lol. With every passing second I’m more glad that I emigrated to Germany than had to stay in the NW for this shambolic mismanaged shitshow. Boris couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery