There's a good chance it will actually be State of Grace and not IKYWT as the acoustic version puts SOG at #4

 

I'd rather the new tracks if was me personally more because they are new :lol: but here for this regardless

In a few years, putting albums out with 50 songs to break streaming records will be the norm. And that to me will be devastating to the quality of albums and music in general.

Rappers have done that for a couple of years already, but those overbloated albums have hardly had any long-lasting impact in the pop culture as pieces of work. The Kid Laroi released his mixtape three times and it now has 35 tracks if I'm not mistaken.

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Rappers have done that for a couple of years already, but those overbloated albums have hardly had any long-lasting impact for the pop culture as piece of work.

 

But a hugely successful artist like Taylor putting out an album with 30 songs is setting a precedent and other big stars will follow suit. She is a trend-setter and she has a lot of power. Her putting out an album with 30 songs is beneath her.

Taylor being #1 today with All Too Well and with 200K ahead of Adele is one of the biggest unexpected surprises of the year

never in my wildest dreams I would have said All Too Well could do 700K

 

It's a truly incredible song so it will be great to finally chart in the UK

it peaked at #80 in the US originally, hope it can do enough to be top 10 this time, but I guess it has zero airplay

But a hugely successful artist like Taylor putting out an album with 30 songs is setting a precedent and other big stars will follow suit. She is a trend-setter and she has a lot of power. Her putting out an album with 30 songs is beneath her.

But that's because it consists an OLD original album AND some new (old) recordings. Fearless (TV) had 26 songs too and no one complained. They really are an anomaly - she is not gonna release an all-new album of 30 songs very soon.

Well actually, it is a statement backed up by the statistics we have. Your statement is conjecture.

 

You’re assuming people wouldn’t restream the songs if the album was half the length - so your analysis is a scenario based on assumptions i.e. not a fact.

But that's because it consists an OLD original album AND some new (old) recordings. Fearless (TV) had 26 songs too and no one complained. They really are an anomaly - she is not gonna release an all-new album of 30 songs very soon.

Other artists will though because they see the success she is having doing so.

 

I’m telling you, in 10 years it will be the norm for artists to release albums with 50 songs. We are already up to 30.

But a hugely successful artist like Taylor putting out an album with 30 songs is setting a precedent and other big stars will follow suit. She is a trend-setter and she has a lot of power. Her putting out an album with 30 songs is beneath her.

 

She’s given a full body of work to one her most successful albums and breakthrough from country to pop, this album from what I understand is a cohesive collection of everything that could have been included on the original version of ‘Red’ - she hasn’t just randomly dropped an album of 30 tracks, she has gone through the vaults to add some value to it. I’m sure when she returns to her next standard studio album she will return to normal album format (which in itself became obsolete with streaming hence all the tactics that have happened for years with tacking additional hits onto albums aka Mabel, Becky Hill, Dermot Kennedy etc)

You’re assuming people wouldn’t restream the songs if the album was half the length - so your analysis is a scenario based on assumptions i.e. not a fact.

 

No, I’m making a statement based on the statistical evidence we have. You’re the one making an assumption, my friend.

No, I’m making a statement based on the statistical evidence we have. You’re the one making an assumption, my friend.

 

No you’re saying that if the album was half the length it wouldn’t have the same number of streams - which is conjecture based on the assumption that people wouldn’t restream it. I’m saying that it’s impossible to know and therefore we can’t conclude this. It really is quite basic logic.

No you’re saying that if the album was half the length it wouldn’t have the same number of streams - which is conjecture based on the assumption that people wouldn’t restream it. I’m saying that it’s impossible to know and therefore we can’t conclude this. It really is quite basic logic.

Again, my statement is a fact based on statistical evidence. Your entire post here is conjecture.

Again, my statement is a fact based on statistical evidence. Your entire post here is conjecture.

 

Come on then, provide us with this statistical evidence you speak of.

Will the streams of both versions of All Too Well be combined by the OCC?

Christ this discussion is even worse to read through than the Sheeran debates

 

This outcome for Taylor is insanely impressive, I really thought the interest in the re-recordings would have peaked with the first one, or at best have just moderately increased when she moved to an era that was more successful in its original form, but this has blown that out of the water, her landing a 10 minute song at #2 on Spotify is absolutely ludicrous. I am sure it'll fall pretty quickly (it's just mathematics that a 10 minute song is not going to compete with the repeat plays of much shorter songs) but with it being presumably combined with the normal length version it must have a great chance of debuting in the top 10!

 

(Also now believing that she's got a good chance of having the highest new entry in the albums chart this week although I still think ABBA will probably remain ahead, I would not mind seeing her surprise and keep up her #1 streak though)

if it was a Part 2 it wouldn't be combined

but since it's a different version with more verses, I think it should be combined

it's not that different than Levitating original being combined with the DaBaby version which also has an added verse by him

Are we sure the OCC will combine the two versions of All Too Well since they're on the same album, given they didn't combine Jail for Kanye West or Never Enough from The Greatest Showman (and possibly others)?

 

We can never be certain until we see it because it's the OCC but I would say with about 95% confidence it'll be combined, '10 minute version' seems to me like it's pretty unambiguously just a tag for an alternate version whereas 'Pt 2' as a tag is more ambiguous even though I think the Kanye songs could easily have just been tagged as remixes.

 

The normal and acoustic versions of 'Forever & Always' were combined from the previous Taylor re-recording so there is already precedent for this.

 

Personally if I were the OCC I would also combine these versions with the original 2012 version but I do understand why they're not doing that :P

Assuming those versions are combined, applying ACR and the 3-track rule, the top 20 would be:

 

01 Taylor Swift – All Too Well (Taylor's Version) 731,508

02 Adele – Easy On Me 523,852

03 Ed Sheeran – Shivers 429,677

04 Taylor Swift – State Of Grace (Taylor's Version) 393,546

05 Ed Sheeran – Bad Habits 335,068

06 ArrDee – Flowers (Say My Name) 333,853

07 Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic – Smokin Out The Window 321,783

08 Taylor Swift – Red (Taylor's Version) 317,988

09 CKay – love nwantiti (ah ah ah) 296,384

10 Juice WRLD – Already Dead 269,874

11 SwitchOTR, A1 x J1 – Coming for You 258,349

12 Central Cee – Obsessed With You 251,082

13 Ed Sheeran – Overpass Graffiti 244,420

14 Sam Fender – Seventeen Going Under 233,585

15 Lil Nas X – THATS WHAT I WANT 206,031

16 Doja Cat – Woman 205,732

17 THE ANXIETY, WILLOW, Tyler Cole – Meet Me At Our Spot 194,742

18 Post Malone, The Weeknd – One Right Now 191,167

19 Becky Hill, Topic – My Heart Goes (La Di Da) 185,297

20 Ewan McVicar – Tell Me Something Good 184,406

Rappers have done that for a couple of years already, but those overbloated albums have hardly had any long-lasting impact in the pop culture as pieces of work. The Kid Laroi released his mixtape three times and it now has 35 tracks if I'm not mistaken.

Also true of the CD era where rock especially had a tendency towards bloat because 'more is better' (and who knows, maybe the RIAA's certification rules doubling for double albums was encouraging too), thus so many blockbuster albums are way too long for their own good. I've still never listened to Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness because even though at least 4 of its singles are stone cold classics, the whole thing is 2 hours long and nobody's got time for that.

 

Side note: "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)" doesn't remotely feel like a slog at all. For some reason I was expecting a 5 minute guitar solo :lol:

Also true of the CD era where rock especially had a tendency towards bloat because 'more is better' (and who knows, maybe the RIAA's certification rules doubling for double albums was encouraging too), thus so many blockbuster albums are way too long for their own good. I've still never listened to Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness because even though at least 4 of its singles are stone cold classics, the whole thing is 2 hours long and nobody's got time for that.

 

Side note: "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)" doesn't remotely feel like a slog at all. For some reason I was expecting a 5 minute guitar solo :lol:

 

Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness is well worth listening to in it's entirety to be honest. A single evening should do it, the singles don't do it justice. I always find it odd that people complain about 2 hour long albums but will sit and watch a 3 hour film without blinking.

Come on then, provide us with this statistical evidence you speak of.

Do you know how to calculate averages?