I agree. People saying "its her funeral" when her funeral literally isn't until a specific date next week.

Overkill I agree, but the coverage is less in your face compared to the Queen Mother for example. Just be thankful none of us seemingly live in Thailand when their head of state passes!

 

I think it’s far worse for the Queen in terms of constant coverage - I means it’s been constant everyday on bbc 1 since last Thursday now!

This is the reason why I'm avoiding TV and radio right now, social media being awash with it is overwhelming enough.

 

Will we finally hear the end of it once the funeral is over?

Why is it different? It’s free speech?

 

I don’t agree with arresting people btw. And I take the point about Andrew, I have no love for the man and think he has abused his power and shows no remorse or understanding for his actions. Just don’t feel heckling at that moment in time was the right thing to do on a personal level.

 

Well on one hand you have people protesting in order to oppress a minority group and on the other you have people protesting against oppression.

 

Anyway, I’m not sure there’s any point in discussing this further as you understand my point exactly but don’t seem to car. It’s not the first time you’ve dragged out ‘now is not the time’ to criticise a protest, I remember your comments during the BLM protests. I simply cannot see how you think people shouldn’t bother expressing themselves because there’s ‘more important’ things going on. I guess I’m happy for you that your privileged enough for these things not to affect you at all.

 

 

What was the.Queen Mother footage like?

 

I can barely remember it being bad so it probably wasn’t. I remember everything stopped that day, they played a very lightly edited chart the next day and I can’t remember it going on this long. They’ve definitely scaled down what they were planning for the Queen because of backlash and the fact they’ll lose viewers to streaming services.

That'll be the Policing Bill coming into effect, which needs to be repealed as soon as these Tory authoritarians are out of office. They have the freedom to decide anyone is 'disturbing the peace', a sign saying 'f**k' ain't it, nor is this other story about a guy who shouted 'Who elected him?'.

 

This is exactly the time and the place to debate our system, it's not like any other funeral, indeed it's a STATE funeral, so it involves all of us. It must be able to be protested.

Quite concerningly the Edinburgh arrests are actually just straight up overreach by Police Scotland. The Policing Bill is irrelevant as that is a devolved matter and thus the horror show that is Patels fascist wet dream has zero effect or impact north of hadrians wall

 

Elsewhere in the UK yes, absolutely. But questions need to be asked directly of Police Scotlands approach as it doesn’t appear to be particularly aligned with the law and the in practice use of breech of the peace (most notably online people are pointing out that the picketing of abortion clinics which is actively designed to be hostile and aggressive and trigger all of the three points of Breech of the Peace, does not in fact lead to their arrest by Police Scotland. If freedom of expression applies there, why not now)

 

That’s a very extreme aggressive reaction for someone who is apparently ambivalent. Also where did Silas tell anyone to feel or do anything? Erm, if that’s true, it’s quite hypocritical because you’re doing the exact same thing (also, see the part in bold, how are you exactly accepting other people’s alternative views? Glass houses) but with an ever so slightly unhinged patriotic ‘UK is the best because it has an ancient outdated tired obsolete unnecessary ridiculous exploitative misogynistic racist homophobic tradition from the good old times before iPhone 6’ touch.

 

Also, I don’t really know how to feel about one using hitler as an argument to not abolish the British monarchy

ily <3

 

Do people on here really watch the BBC etc? I'm surprised that more of you don't predominately watch streaming services - it's made me realise how little I actually watch terrestrial TV and interact with the news these days as so many people on here are grumbling and I've not really noticed the constant coverage ooops

Do people on here really watch the BBC etc? I'm surprised that more of you don't predominately watch streaming services - it's made me realise how little I actually watch terrestrial TV and interact with the news these days as so many people on here are grumbling and I've not really noticed the constant coverage ooops

 

I actually consume all my television online these days through streaming. I’m not suffering the reality of the repetitive footage but it doesn’t stop me disagreeing with it or, unfortunately, seeing the competitive grieving on social media.

I'll consider myself very fortunate that I don't have to endure that either then - aside from the day itself when a few of us said how shocked we were etc, I've barely had a single social media post about the whole thing. Even the algorithms know full well I'm only interested in clothes and vinyl :lol:

 

And I see Center Parcs have changed tactic for Monday from eviction to imprisonment. It’s what Liz would have wanted.

I think it’s far worse for the Queen in terms of constant coverage - I means it’s been constant everyday on bbc 1 since last Thursday now!

 

I remember it being really bad at the time, plus factor in she was not even the Head of State and it was a time when we didn't have streaming and 1,000 channels. At least in today's world we can switch off and find other stuff to watch. I still find the coverage slightly OTT for the record, but it's way easier to avoid it and I think after the 6pm news normal BBC programming kind of starts again.

 

Well on one hand you have people protesting in order to oppress a minority group and on the other you have people protesting against oppression.

 

Anyway, I’m not sure there’s any point in discussing this further as you understand my point exactly but don’t seem to car. It’s not the first time you’ve dragged out ‘now is not the time’ to criticise a protest, I remember your comments during the BLM protests. I simply cannot see how you think people shouldn’t bother expressing themselves because there’s ‘more important’ things going on. I guess I’m happy for you that your privileged enough for these things not to affect you at all.

I can barely remember it being bad so it probably wasn’t. I remember everything stopped that day, they played a very lightly edited chart the next day and I can’t remember it going on this long. They’ve definitely scaled down what they were planning for the Queen because of backlash and the fact they’ll lose viewers to streaming services.

 

So it's free speech when it's right cause and something you agree with, but oppression when it's wrong? I get your point entirely, but you're suggesting if the shoe is on the other foot it's wrong. Free speech is great, I don't want people to be arrested, I just find it untactful at that moment in time.

 

Damn right there are more important things than abolishing the Monarchy. It's important to you, but not to the majority of the country. There is absolutely no polling or appettie for abolishing the Monarchy on a widespread level, hence 'now is not the time'. It's a bit like me suggesting there's appetite for the United Kindom to stop using money & banks and to start using Crypto. Totally get your sentiment and I understand why people would prefer to be in the Republic to get with modern times, but unless someone can tell me the only benefit is I'll be able to vote someone in once every 10 years then just seems like an expensive vanity project to me.

I remember it being really bad at the time, plus factor in she was not even the Head of State and it was a time when we didn't have streaming and 1,000 channels. At least in today's world we can switch off and find other stuff to watch. I still find the coverage slightly OTT for the record, but it's way easier to avoid it and I think after the 6pm news normal BBC programming kind of starts again.

So it's free speech when it's right cause and something you agree with, but oppression when it's wrong? I get your point entirely, but you're suggesting if the shoe is on the other foot it's wrong. Free speech is great, I don't want people to be arrested, I just find it untactful at that moment in time.

 

Damn right there are more important things than abolishing the Monarchy. It's important to you, but not to the majority of the country. There is absolutely no polling or appettie for abolishing the Monarchy on a widespread level, hence 'now is not the time'. It's a bit like me suggesting there's appetite for the United Kindom to stop using money & banks and to start using Crypto. Totally get your sentiment and I understand why people would prefer to be in the Republic to get with modern times, but unless someone can tell me the only benefit is I'll be able to vote someone in once every 10 years then just seems like an expensive vanity project to me.

 

I guess it’s a mistake on my part but I am passionate about things I feel are right and just. Protesting against LGBT+ rights is immoral and should be a hate crime. Questioning and opposing a monarchy is absolutely nothing like that unless you’re oversimplifying which is what almost all your arguments are.

 

Now IS the time. If it isn’t discussed when the Monarch changes, then when will be the right time? Wait for things to calm down, so that everyone will forget, become good little children and just shut up and put up? No, there has actually never been a better time for this discussion. So what if there’s no appetite, it would still be much more healthy to let the discussion take place.

 

And we already have an expensive vanity project in the UK. It’s called your mates, the Monarchy.

I absolutely agree thst they have toned whatever they had planned down by a few notches after the overblown Prince Phillip coverage and the backlash it prompted! They even said they woulf review how they would treat such events in the future.

And I see Center Parcs have changed tactic for Monday from eviction to imprisonment. It’s what Liz would have wanted.

Center Parcs' management leaves a lot to be desired. How on Earth was the original decision made? Was there really nobody involved who was prepared to say that it was a catastrophically bad idea? The same applies to the apparent restrictions on what customers can do on Monday (even though they now deny that people will be confined to their chalets). They really have made themselves look utterly ridiculous.

Re the principles of the monarchy... I'm not as anti the royals as a lot of people in here seem to be. Out of all the land owners in power, I think they're probably the ones I least object to as they do at least bring a sense of culture and history... and without doubt must bring money in to the UK simply by being such a huge draw for tourism. They're symbolic with the UK and I would imagine they are the first thing most people around the world would think of when they are asked about the UK.

 

It's difficult to know how much of the income makes its way in to the general economy so they may not bring as much in as I'd have thought, but I can see positives in their existence to at least partly balance out some of the negatives. If we were going to think about where to start in terms of tackling wrongs in the UK, I personally would rather start with a government that I truly believe is corrupt and the well paid rich that own so much of the UK and influence it financially for their own gain - they don't seem to have any of the positives that the royal family do for me.

I can also see both sides in the debate T Boy and Roo are having. I wouldn’t want to silence people’s right to protest but at the same time I find it difficult to respect people who shout and jeer at a funeral procession - albeit a long one. There are other less offensive ways. I do also respect that her death will have hit much of the older generation very hard (my in-laws cried every now and again for days!) so I can see why having the chance for those people to go and see her is potentially quite cathartic for many… even if I can’t quite comprehend anyone wanting to queue for THAT long to see anything.

 

This could well be the last huge thing like this imo - assuming Charles lives a fair while - as I don’t think my generation and those younger care enough for the monarchy to warrant it all.

I guess it’s a mistake on my part but I am passionate about things I feel are right and just. Protesting against LGBT+ rights is immoral and should be a hate crime. Questioning and opposing a monarchy is absolutely nothing like that unless you’re oversimplifying which is what almost all your arguments are.

 

Now IS the time. If it isn’t discussed when the Monarch changes, then when will be the right time? Wait for things to calm down, so that everyone will forget, become good little children and just shut up and put up? No, there has actually never been a better time for this discussion. So what if there’s no appetite, it would still be much more healthy to let the discussion take place.

 

And we already have an expensive vanity project in the UK. It’s called your mates, the Monarchy.

 

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Being homophobic is a hate crime, but if someone does not want LGBTQ+ teachings to be taught their children, that is not a hate crime. We can't have free speech when it suits our agenda and beliefs and moan when it doesn't. Free speech is wonderful and we should have the right to have our opinion without being in fear of thrown in jail, but often people peddle abhorrent views as free speech.

 

Spoken like a true anarchist. You don't push through a change if people don't believe in it, you've put no argument to convince me to abolish our Monarchy and compltetely re-define our culture. There's no appetite for it. People forget the non-tangible impact of these things at times. I don't mind the Monarchy, but I don't love it. It serves a purpose and boosts our economy. Abolishing the Monarchy and setting up a Republic is an expensive project which you've not convinced me will make my life, your life or anyone else's life any better. Yeah so what they were born in to power? You can find hundreds of people born in to power, status etc. you just don't now about them as they're not on the news every day. Life is cruel, unfair and unkind at times.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Being homophobic is a hate crime, but if someone does not want LGBTQ+ teachings to be taught their children, that is not a hate crime. We can't have free speech when it suits our agenda and beliefs and moan when it doesn't. Free speech is wonderful and we should have the right to have our opinion without being in fear of thrown in jail, but often people peddle abhorrent views as free speech.

 

Spoken like a true anarchist. You don't push through a change if people don't believe in it, you've put no argument to convince me to abolish our Monarchy and compltetely re-define our culture. There's no appetite for it. People forget the non-tangible impact of these things at times. I don't mind the Monarchy, but I don't love it. It serves a purpose and boosts our economy. Abolishing the Monarchy and setting up a Republic is an expensive project which you've not convinced me will make my life, your life or anyone else's life any better. Yeah so what they were born in to power? You can find hundreds of people born in to power, status etc. you just don't now about them as they're not on the news every day. Life is cruel, unfair and unkind at times.

 

I’m not even trying to convince you of anything now, it’s a fruitless enterprise. You be fine with life being cruel and unfair, I’d rather fight for equality any day. I honestly don’t care if you look down your nose at me and consider me stupid and continue to talk down to me. I can’t get behind something so blatantly wrong.

I remember it being really bad at the time, plus factor in she was not even the Head of State and it was a time when we didn't have streaming and 1,000 channels. At least in today's world we can switch off and find other stuff to watch. I still find the coverage slightly OTT for the record, but it's way easier to avoid it and I think after the 6pm news normal BBC programming kind of starts again.

So it's free speech when it's right cause and something you agree with, but oppression when it's wrong? I get your point entirely, but you're suggesting if the shoe is on the other foot it's wrong. Free speech is great, I don't want people to be arrested, I just find it untactful at that moment in time.

 

Damn right there are more important things than abolishing the Monarchy. It's important to you, but not to the majority of the country. There is absolutely no polling or appettie for abolishing the Monarchy on a widespread level, hence 'now is not the time'. It's a bit like me suggesting there's appetite for the United Kindom to stop using money & banks and to start using Crypto. Totally get your sentiment and I understand why people would prefer to be in the Republic to get with modern times, but unless someone can tell me the only benefit is I'll be able to vote someone in once every 10 years then just seems like an expensive vanity project to me.

 

Re the coverage; I stream and record on my sky box most of the programmes I watch but I still click through the main channels each night to check what’s on.

 

And on sky the planner comes up to search for things and the Queen is on the front banner dominating and has been since last Friday.

 

I’m not even trying to convince you of anything now, it’s a fruitless enterprise. You be fine with life being cruel and unfair, I’d rather fight for equality any day. I honestly don’t care if you look down your nose at me and consider me stupid and continue to talk down to me. I can’t get behind something so blatantly wrong.

 

And that's fine that you can't get behind the Monarchy, I fully respect that. I'm not a Royalist, but you've not put together any form of argument other than it's unfair. I could list you loads of parts about life that are unfair. If there was appetite for it, I'd be saying go-ahead, but the public don't want it in this country and nor do I suspect they will for a couple of generations. I've never asked you to get behind the Monarchy, but you've not once acknowledged any benefits of the Monarchy which benefit our society, values, culture and economy - I don't consider you stupid at all for the record.

"Being homophobic is a hate crime, but if someone does not want LGBTQ+ teachings to be taught their children, that is not a hate crime."

 

I kinda disagree with this. What is the one if not the other?

LGBTQ teachings are generally "hey, these people exist. Here's a description. Please respect them", no? Toby would have a more direct perspective than me on that, of course.

 

Apols for the 'pile on' but I am kinda directly affected & I do think there is a bit of a difference between a governance choice and an issue regarding how to generally treat other 'categories' of humans.