It is a logicL fallacy to say that because both sides criticise something, that sometging is right or unbiased. It reports feom the CENTRE, and given our Overton Window, pushes it to the right. Reporting from the centre right is IN ITSELF bias. The right wing ALWAYS complains about its coversge, in order to further push the coverage in its favour. Its complaints are NOT comparable to ours. Sorry.

 

The BBC has a duty to be unbiased. You are free to send examples of bias to them and they must respond to them. Me, I'm not seeing any anti-left-wing content because the left-wing or centre-left is either invisible or popping up with criticisms of the government (which is their job and function) and not much else. The main criticisms seem to be Keir Starmer is a bit wet, and the left and centre of the Labour party are still at war and busy slagging each other off. Which should be fairly easy to disprove by working together to get rid of the Tories. My Labour Councillor friend, however, assures me that in his local branch the infighting is still a thing with egos and ambitions the size of planets from some parts of the party, and he's looking forward to standing in a no-hoper seat to get away from it. My Tory activist friend OTOH assures me that the vile BBC are utterly stuffed with loony lefties and they hate Conservatives who have done a marvellous job with running the country. Nothing I say by way of reason changes his mind that the BBC is full of lefties.

 

Your comment suggests that the left-wing also have the same slick device of slagging off the BBC regardless of content (and this is with the government facing reporting criticism since it came to power) in order to make it more left-wing.

 

It's up to Labour to come up with a solution if they don't want what some of them perceive as bias. If Labour can't be arsed to come up with a solution to fix the problem as they see it, then I'm not inclined to believe the moaning is sincere any more than some people believe the Tory loathing is insincere (my experience is it's not an act, it's mass delusion, and which must be the case or they wouldn't be trying to get rid of it, they certainly wouldnt be trying to permanently shut up a compliant bloody Tory mouthpiece, unless they were certifiably insane and intent on self-defeat!!).

Nope. The right wing complain in order to shift the BBTory even further right, and complain about representation in media, or of comedians, as a form of "being woke". It is NOT the same.

 

The BBTory committed "error" after "error" in its election reporting, HOUNDED Corbyn, had Tory Laura collude with the Labour right to have resignations from Labour happen LIVE ON AIR, called Labour's plans COMMUNISM, attacked Labour as headline news for WEEKS, siding with Richard Branson, when Corbyn was right all along, ans have been hideous towards Labour, whilst being as sycophantic to the Tories as they are to the Royals!!!

 

The BBTory hand-waves away ANY CRITICISM. You cannot use official channels to change the establishment, inckuding with the BBTory. Sorry. If complaining about BBTory bias to the BBTory worked, they would have apologised over their appalling Scottish ref coverage. They haven't :) They haven't even apologised for banning God Save The Queen! Horrendous state media.

I think we doing quite appreciate how good the BBC actually is until we are in a different environment.

 

So, for example, I pay almost 20€ a month for the German Equivalent. That covers ARD (bbc1), ZDF (bbc2), DW (think bbc world news), national radio and I believe it covers also the regional stations like WDR and RBB.

 

It’s a lot of channels on the face of it. But for much much much less output. The amount of quality original programming is a fraction of what the BBC produces. There is very little in the way of good German drama and beyond Tatort you’d struggle to name a single show that could even come close to being the kinda of event TV that we get from the likes of Line Of Duty.

 

And this is all for more money and at times the tv is ad supported. In comparison, the BBC is a bargain.

 

 

Before reforms a few years ago, you had to pay taxes almost per device and your car was also subject to it as it was a radio receiver. Now it’s a mandatory tax on every household regardless of if you even own a tv or have an internet connection. As soon as you register your address with the authorities (a legal obligation) you get a letter from the TV Tax folks and they are far more active in hunting non-payers than in the UK.

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Can't say I'll be shedding a tear tbh.

I see a lot of posts like this one you embedded here today but the problem is that it’s extremely Corbyn centric. The BBC News issue started long before. Any post like this that misses the impact BBC had on the outcomes of IndyRef or Brexit fundamentally misses the wider issue of what BBC News is being accused of by focusing on after the horse has bolted and the stable has burned down. Like it’s a valid point but it’s very Party political if you don’t look at the wider issues and longer history.

 

(Not aimed at you Dr B!!! Just using the tweet as a jumping off point)

Much like Popchartfreak said, the Right thinks the BBc is too Left and woke and the Left think the BBC is too Right biased - just proves to me the BBC is doing it's best to be impartial on political biases. Do they get it right all the time? Nope, but they try their hardest in most cases and always try and present a balanced argument on a range of issues, not just political ones either.

 

I just don't think running the BBC as a commerical property would work. I think part of the reason in what makes the BBC so great is they cater for all audiences and deliver a wide range of content. Like many others have said, Netflix's model is based on a completely different model. The BBC couldn't compete with Netflix. The BBC has produced so many 'sleeper' hits or indie programmes that have gone on to become massive hits - having it run as a commercial model in full means the BBC are chasing ratings smashed rather than looking outside of the box. I'm up for a conversation in how the license fee is funded etc. - but just seems a culture war attack from Dorris.

Probably not a concern for many but Welsh language television programmes are BBC funded and this could spell the end for S4C and Welsh content which wouldn’t be great for me.

Much like Popchartfreak said, the Right thinks the BBc is too Left and woke and the Left think the BBC is too Right biased - just proves to me the BBC is doing it's best to be impartial on political biases. Do they get it right all the time? Nope, but they try their hardest in most cases and always try and present a balanced argument on a range of issues, not just political ones either.

 

I just don't think running the BBC as a commerical property would work. I think part of the reason in what makes the BBC so great is they cater for all audiences and deliver a wide range of content. Like many others have said, Netflix's model is based on a completely different model. The BBC couldn't compete with Netflix. The BBC has produced so many 'sleeper' hits or indie programmes that have gone on to become massive hits - having it run as a commercial model in full means the BBC are chasing ratings smashed rather than looking outside of the box. I'm up for a conversation in how the license fee is funded etc. - but just seems a culture war attack from Dorris.

 

Read above. That is a MAAASSSIVE centrist logical fallacy. Sorry :')

Read above. That is a MAAASSSIVE centrist logical fallacy. Sorry :')

 

But your alternative is having the BBC become the British Broadcasting Socalist Corporation. So it doesn't solve anything. The BBC is way more than just news - and I don't think their programmes and coverage are that massively influential, the newspapers are way more influential.

I never said that at all :') However, it would most certainly be an improvement and a course correction to their centre right establishment coverage they have had throughout their entire history.

I am pretty tired of the completely dead crusty ass take that is 'oh well, they get equal criticism from all sides of the political spectrum so therefore they must be unbiased' - it's a lazy analysis that completely dismisses the pretty incontrovertible evidence of sloppy journalism and its increasingly obvious pro-establishment bias. Surely there will ALWAYS be criticism from the political fringes - that's priced in? I don't see how that (without any other evidence) can be taken as acceptable evidence to prove that the BBC is balanced.

 

The BBC is incredible value and does an amazing job as many have argued here, but it's news and politics platform is so toxic as to more than destroy everything I value about it.

 

The licence fee model is unsustainable, TV is a declining medium particularly among Gen Z and that's just a fact. I think we have to accept that - clearly Dorries and those around the PM are using this as 'culture war' fodder to distract from political woes and they are completely unserious about reform.. but I think it is time for us to have a national debate about the BBC and how it is funded. I don't have the answer, but I can't see why a subscription service model can't be part of the answer.. why is it so ridiculous? After all, they've already got 0.5M subscribers for BritBox?

 

Read Tom Mills book: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3630-the-bbc

 

Article: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/bbc-media-bi...oris-johnson-uk

Preach, Doctor Blind!!! The centrists always rush out to defend the BBTory with that claptrap of a defence. Tom Mills is completely correct. I see no value qt all in he BBC, thanks to its fawning deference to the establishement, and its HYSTERIC attacks vs Corbyn, plus its bias against anything that goes against the British elite - for example, the Scottish referendum.

I never saw the Superman image. That is absolutely GUTTER, partisan drivel. By the way, we should mention that study after study has demonstrably found BBC BIAS AGAINST THE LEFT AND FOR RHR BRITISH ESTABLISHMENT. You can read these studies online x This is hard evidence. The hard right screaming because of "woke" entertainment shows is not.

The licence fee model is unsustainable, TV is a declining medium particularly among Gen Z and that's just a fact. I think we have to accept that - clearly Dorries and those around the PM are using this as 'culture war' fodder to distract from political woes and they are completely unserious about reform.. but I think it is time for us to have a national debate about the BBC and how it is funded. I don't have the answer, but I can't see why a subscription service model can't be part of the answer.. why is it so ridiculous? After all, they've already got 0.5M subscribers for BritBox?

 

I agree that the licence fee is unsustainable but it's very difficult to see how an alternative model will work whilst maintaining BBC services that sets it apart from any other broadcaster.

 

How would the subscription service work with the BBC as we know it? What would happen to local radio services and the online offerings for example? Would the BBC disappear from linear TV and radio and become essentially BBC iPlayer and BBC Sounds only? Would its online offerings be largely behind the paywall like many other online news services now are in the UK?

Oh, and lest we forget Tory Laura being a client journalist for the government - remember "Leftist punches Javad aide!!!"? And let's not forgrt them EDITING FOOTAGE TO PEOTECT BLPJO THE CLOWN. THEY ACTUALLY EDITED FOOTAGE TO PROTECT HIM FROM EMBARRASSMENT. Seeing as the mefia harrassed Corbyn every single war memorial, the BBTory could NOT allow Blojo to make a gaffe, and so protected him. They called it an "editorial mistake". Uff.

Oh, and lest we forget Tory Laura being a client journalist for the government - remember "Leftist punches Javad aide!!!"? And let's not forgrt them EDITING FOOTAGE TO PEOTECT BLPJO THE CLOWN. THEY ACTUALLY EDITED FOOTAGE TO PROTECT HIM FROM EMBARRASSMENT. Seeing as the mefia harrassed Corbyn every single war memorial, the BBTory could NOT allow Blojo to make a gaffe, and so protected him. They called it an "editorial mistake". Uff.

 

But you are basing most of your argument (and also what Doctor Blind is hinting at too) on your personal opinion of the BBC based off of the politcal reporting. The BBC is so much more than that. It's a respected institution around the world and also does a lot of good around the UK too, with lots of productions and Talent outside of London too.

 

 

Interesting that the Conservatives really want to get rid of the license fee and have now set a date for it. I do wonder what have Labour and the Lib Dems wanted to do with the license fee or have they been happy with it? Labour hasn't really reacted to this news yet apart from saying its a distraction from the Boris Johnson parties.

1. clearly this is intended as a distraction from Johnson's woes cos they hate the coverage they have had lately and it plays to the Tory base, Shoot the messenger.

2. Still not hearing any actual suggestions on how to have an unbiased news media free from political control. It's almost as if there is not actual way of improving on the current charter, or just biding time to get in power and then get the BBC to slant things more in the new government favour including giving top jobs to cronies.... (which the Tories have done) I'm frankly aghast that some people seem to not actually want politically-free news reporting. We know the Tories hate it, look what theyve done to C4 (another state-required station that actually makes a profit through advertising and great programmes) cos they hated their news coverage of the Tories.

3. Licence fee is just like monthly fees to netflix or Disney, only you get shitloads more for your money. I have Amazon prime, netflix and Disney and Sky. The BBC is still the best value for money. So pay monthly instead, same thing.

Interesting that the Conservatives really want to get rid of the license fee and have now set a date for it. I do wonder what have Labour and the Lib Dems wanted to do with the license fee or have they been happy with it? Labour hasn't really reacted to this news yet apart from saying its a distraction from the Boris Johnson parties.

 

The fact Dorries has put the date in place without a plan shows it’s all political games!

I'm not sure Dorries can spell "plan", let alone create one.

It’s ridiculous the tories are doing this the bbc still produces the best shows imo and I pay for Sky who buy in the best HBO dramas which are yes when you find a great one like Succession is class but it’s few and far between and the Sky Originals are awful in the most part. And that’s 40 quid a month!

 

Sky Documentaries has some good original stuff to be fair. Do you pay for all the Sky channels?

The tv and football in the sports! I can get the documentaries too but only have had time to watch a few like McMillions!