March 9, 20232 yr I think we have to accept that Sam was a one off and the UK will always be bottom five until it inevitably quits the contest. This song is literally worse than James Newman's happy pop and is about on the same level as Dan Simpson's Teenage Life. Why didn't they choose Rins?!
March 9, 20232 yr I think we have to accept that Sam was a one off and the UK will always be bottom five until it inevitably quits the contest. This song is literally worse than James Newman's happy pop and is about on the same level as Dan Simpson's Teenage Life. Why didn't they choose Rins?! Daz Sampson, and he did get points from about 10 countries but they were all low, probably due to the tacky performance. In fact it's not a bad comparison as that was probably the last time we feasibly sent something that sounded like it came out of the charts of the time (I literally DID hear people playing it on phones on the back of the bus, many others didn't realise it was even our entry, just something they'd seen on the tacky low rent music channels at the time). ----- I do see what Liam is saying though, female pop is a very hard sell and often underperforms on the night, sometimes surprisngly so. I'm not even certain that Israel is going to do that much on the televote, it sounds like it's had the kitchen sink thrown at it like some Maltese entries, but Noa is a very good performer so she might be fine, and she should do well with juries too, better than ours. Edited March 9, 20232 yr by gooddelta
March 9, 20232 yr It's not grabbing me at first, but it's an inoffensive bop and has catchy elements to it. A big break for Lewis Thompson too who has been producing a lot over the past year or so so this should give him a bigger platform to work with and open more doors for him.
March 9, 20232 yr I remember people literally saying 'at least it sounds like something that would make the charts here' about James Newman as well... :kink:
March 9, 20232 yr I remember people literally saying 'at least it sounds like something that would make the charts here' about James Newman as well... :kink: !!! His song was better too! It's down there with Daz Sampson oops and Jamws Newman. Sounds like the charts, but is veeery milquetoast, boring and generic. That's Rich! was better, and it didn't even qualify! I think Rina, Calvin and Ellie, this and Birdy were all the finalists, note the sangs coming out at the same time. They settled on this, annoying Rina, which is why she is still releasing her Eurovision version of Holy this week, to show what we could have had. Birdy would have been 10x better :(
March 9, 20232 yr I remember people literally saying 'at least it sounds like something that would make the charts here' about James Newman as well... :kink: And I stand by it!! I still like Embers as a song, and it was nice to send something more modern than the very cheap production middle of the road entries we’d kept on sending. The performance fell very flat but it still didn’t deserve nul points I’d happily take these Love Island songs like these over any of the You Decide / legacy artist ones.
March 9, 20232 yr And I stand by it!! I still like Embers as a song, and it was nice to send something more modern than the very cheap production middle of the road entries we’d kept on sending. The performance fell very flat but it still didn’t deserve nul points I’d happily take these Love Island songs like these over any of the You Decide / legacy artist ones. I'm not saying I disagree, just that that isn't necessarily a good thing in Eurovision :lol:
March 9, 20232 yr So it's not a bad pop song in a Anne-Marie kind of way. It's the sort of track that would make it on to my playlist for a few weeks... but is it Eurovision? It probably was about 15 years ago... but I don't think it will do incredibly well in 2023. Hopefully we'll get some "hosting" points... Oh and that spoken bit was laughable, so glad that was only a couple of lines.
March 9, 20232 yr I think it's fine. Not the most exciting song but we have sent a lot worse to be fair and I could see it being a regular top 40 hit as well as its not that far removed from what TikTok brings in. It also doesn't sound to me like a clear last placer either.. more likely a 20/21 more than anything but if she fails to deliver on the night then I guess I can see that argument but yeah its fine nothing more nothing less for me. The chorus is fairly catchy too. Of course the tease of Rina was annoying though as she'd obviously have a much stronger song no doubt.
March 9, 20232 yr Author I remember people literally saying 'at least it sounds like something that would make the charts here' about James Newman as well... :kink: I'm not discounting that to be fair, and I see reasons to be suspect on UK/Ireland-style modern pop given the last few examples of it haven't done that well in the contest. I don't think it's a particularly great genre on the whole really but it can be exported. On the other hand, looking at the wider international fan community, outside of the UK lot, it's entered in at 9/31 on the crowdsourced Eurovision scoreboard app (which is early days, may well change and obvs has the overinflated fan faves warning) and I do think it is the British fans being harder on their own entry as always. I do think it's off to a much stronger start than Embers - which if we do compare like for like sits at 27th on the equivalent 2021 mass ranking on that app. Getting nul/finishing in the bottom 2 would really surprise me, bottom 5 could be on the cards with a disastrous live. I see a range of like 10th-21st quite plausible right now.
March 9, 20232 yr I think its a bop! I love mae and its another bop from her. is it stand out? absolutely not. is it likely do to well? probably not. but i think its a decent entry and will end with a midding result.
March 9, 20232 yr This is just a horrendous choice Ler Ha Wallace here to tell it like it is :cheeseblock:
March 9, 20232 yr To be fair, I think sending Birdy would have been a far worse decision than this for one. Rina would have just been SO perfect in every way with 'Holy' though :(
March 9, 20232 yr On the other hand, looking at the wider international fan community, outside of the UK lot, it's entered in at 9/31 on the crowdsourced Eurovision scoreboard app (which is early days, may well change and obvs has the overinflated fan faves warning) and I do think it is the British fans being harder on their own entry as always. I do think it's off to a much stronger start than Embers - which if we do compare like for like sits at 27th on the equivalent 2021 mass ranking on that app. Getting nul/finishing in the bottom 2 would really surprise me, bottom 5 could be on the cards with a disastrous live. I see a range of like 10th-21st quite plausible right now. Yes the Fan Scorboard is completely biased and is based on people voting for their own country to some extent and they will always favour female pop songs into rehearsals when they are predicted to flop. Last year Spainiards managed to get Chanel to #1 after she won Benidorm Fest. I think 17th - 25th is the ceiling based on the studio version. Edited March 9, 20232 yr by M3G4Nx
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