Honestly the entry this year was pretty mediocre sorry to say this. I hope the UK can go for something different that showcases the uniqueness of the artist. Ireland did really well because the song was almost never done before.

 

Lowkey hoping for UK rock or can we have FSR Rontvia's Valtos pleek? ^_^ (They collabed with Julie Fowlis on a Gaelic song which was released recently and it was amazing x)

Opera meets rock for next year.

Probably the worst outcome for Olly - I’m surprised he attempted it to begin with, I know he wanted to establish himself as Olly rather than Y&Y but the British GP had already accepted that Olly was/is Y&Y.

 

He has the backing of a major label and as I mentioned before his 2022 album reached #1 and went silver and yielded 2 Top 40 silver selling singles, the UK is really unforgiving of Eurovision failures (as are record labels) so kinda hope he can carry on as before without damaging his career too much.

He was just very generic. Malta could have got someone to make that song in that way. It's wishful thinking he was just outside of the top 10 in votes each time I mean come on how improbable you're constantly just missing out. He was almost certainly in the bottom 5 voting for the majority of countries.

 

Nice likeable guy but it was a poor song and his vocal range was bad. UK can surely find someone with originality or something special, Olly seemed like a lazy choice. Focus group type choice

It's wishful thinking he was just outside of the top 10 in votes each time I mean come on how improbable you're constantly just missing out. He was almost certainly in the bottom 5 voting for the majority of countries.

There's as much evidence for this as there is for him just missing the top 10 in a significant number of votes right now so I don't see how this is "almost certainly" the case.

 

(not sure if the full voting information like this is out there yet, pls correct me if I'm wrong x)

I'm really happy with how Olly's performance came across. However, it felt like there were sound issues for him as he sounded incredibly quiet compared to the other entries. Loved the staging and performance and think it's by far the best thing we've done with that side of things in may be actually ever??

 

The song is a banger and I am really proud of it as an entry. Glad he ended up getting love from the audience. The crowd seemed to adore us this year.

There's as much evidence for this as there is for him just missing the top 10 in a significant number of votes right now so I don't see how this is "almost certainly" the case.

 

(not sure if the full voting information like this is out there yet, pls correct me if I'm wrong x)

 

Just use logic. He is the only one to get 0. Therefore the odds on him being just outside the top 10 repeatedly and not once getting even one point seems extremely high odds. I'm sure friendlier countries like Australia and Ireland might have given him some votes but the fact it still wasn't enough even then to get 1 point suggests he was probably far lower for most of the rest. I feel bad for him as 0 is too harsh but on social media the reaction was very negative too. Given the UK’s history with struggling to get points in the phone vote and several tiny scores you need something really good to change that and this just wasn't it.

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Oh well done James Newman! :cheer:

Okay found the data, let's look at some facts rather than "logic" x

 

14th Ireland, Ukraine

16th Lithuania, Spain

17th Australia, Finland, Malta, Portugal

18th Estonia, Iceland

19th Azerbaijan, Czechia, Poland

20th Cyprus, Latvia, San Marino, Sweden

21st Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway

22nd Belgium, Georgia, Moldova, Netherlands, Slovenia, Switzerland

23rd Armenia, Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Italy

24th Albania, Croatia, Israel, Serbia

 

And "Rest of the World" was 16th/17th it looks like.

 

Obviously not just outside the top 10 for the majority of countries, could be a better outcome really. Countries beyond the "friendlier" ones giving us placements in line with the likes of Ireland and Australia though x

 

Would be interesting to compare this data with some other recent non-Sam Ryder UK entries to really put it into context.

Friends who I was with said it was too homoerotic to do well

I thought it was good performance, good song but I'm one of those who thinks that Eurovision generally doesn't reward quality.

The same was said in my house and felt it wasnt needed as strongly for the song but I don't think it affected the scoring.

In the play back recap of all 25 songs I felt it sounded lifeless although when hearing it in full I liked the song.

how was it overly homoerotic jdsfksdkfh i cant even

If anything I didn't think it was homoerotic enough!

 

I thought that the choice to make the stage smaller was probably a mistake for the platform they had. They could have broken out of that cage thing earlier in the song and had a dance routine.

 

Generally my take on it was that it didn't really show a lot of artistic merit and looked as if it had been choreographed in order to hide a weak dancer's shortcomings - which was a mistake because I think Olly could have a) handled a dance break if one was given, and b) could have brought in something like playing the piano to start it off or doing a transition or something.

 

Put next to the likes of Nemo's performance it just didn't stack up and then compared to others on the night, it didn't have a particularly outstanding vocal OR dance performance OR gimmick apart from the stage.

I'm really happy with how Olly's performance came across. However, it felt like there were sound issues for him as he sounded incredibly quiet compared to the other entries. Loved the staging and performance and think it's by far the best thing we've done with that side of things in may be actually ever??

 

The song is a banger and I am really proud of it as an entry. Glad he ended up getting love from the audience. The crowd seemed to adore us this year.

 

That's because more UK people had bought tickets than anyone else!!! :lol:

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Oh well done James Newman! :cheer:

 

Oh, well DONE, James Newman x2!!! :cheer:

Where next for the UK? We had a well known artist and spent £££ on staging - let’s hope the BBC don’t lose momentum and revert to ElectroVelvet, Michael Rice, SuRie etc., type entries.

 

They need to follow the formula and pick a lane.

 

A successful Eurovision entry has at least one or more of:

 

a) super-strong vocal with notable vocal moments within the performance (e.g. Sam Ryder, Marco Mengoni, Gjon's Tears, Slimane, Conchita, Nemo)

b) super-strong dance including, usually, a dance break (e.g. Chanel, Eleni Foureira, Ruslana)

c) super-strong staging or storytelling accompanying a catchy song (e.g. Alexander Rybak, Mans Zelmerlow, Ruslana, Go_A, Loreen with Tattoo)

 

Olly this contest?

 

The vocal was decent but couldn't compete with any of the powerhouses in the competition, even though Olly is a good singer and could possibly have with a different arrangement of the track had a vocal moment. The dancing was fine, but he and the dancers were caged off in a box that didn't allow much room to manouver for tv, and there wasn't really a dance break to speak of. And the staging, yes, it was fine, but the song was then a bit generic for it - make me dizzy from your kisses is just a bit of a generic love song lyric, it doesn't have much authenticity to it.

 

I haven't followed this year's contest a huge amount but I'm also unsure if Olly did much of a press tour in Europe to promote the song which would also have helped if there was a decent push.

 

For 2025? They should pick a strong vocalist and maybe actually try something emotive for a change. An unknown singer would be a shout. Or what's someone like Emeli Sande up to these days?

I can see Eurovision fever within the BBC being well and truly over now and them giving up. I think the BBC team really thought they cracked it with Olly and had a contender and won’t look at the bigger picture of why it didn’t do well.

I can see Eurovision fever within the BBC being well and truly over now and them giving up. I think the BBC team really thought they cracked it with Olly and had a contender and won’t look at the bigger picture of why it didn’t do well.

 

That’s what I’m afraid of - Sam Ryder gave them the momentum they needed, they took Mae Muller as a blip but the interview with the BBC team this year with Music Week they really thought they had delivered - they said the expectation was a #1 single in the UK going into the contest :drama:

 

Hopefully ‘Dizzy’ can do decently this week in the charts although I don’t know what to expect - I’m hoping the 3 x physicals give him a big boost.

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Oh well done James Newman! :cheer:

Wait, didn't he get zero points too?

looks like their logic is that Embers placed 23rd in the overall televote because there were multiple 'nil points' and tiebreak is done by running order placement, whilst Mae came 2nd from last and Olly last