I was looking more into this Dewi Evans guy as to me he is the architect of the illusion. This story is pretty incredible I don’t know if people are aware. This is directly from his Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewi_Evans

 

In 1996, an 11-year-old child, Natasha Lewis, was seen by multiple doctors with unexplained abdominal pain. Eventually she was seen by Dr Evans at Singleton Hospital, who, despite her having a pulse of 140 and a high temperature, discharged her home from hospital telling her parents that nothing was wrong.

After being taken again to hospital she was thought by another doctor to have appendicitis and was given an appendectomy. However, this showed that her appendix was healthy, but did result in a serious abscess, which nearly resulted in her death.

Despite continued protestations of experiencing excruciating pain the child was told by Dr. Evans that there was nothing wrong with her and that the pain was in her head.

The parents continued to push for further medical investigations but Evans decided that they were trying to gain attention from medical services for their own gratification. Despite have no psychiatric or clinical psychological qualifications, Evans decided that this was a case of "Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy".[5]This is an alleged condition made popular by Roy Meadow, the disgraced doctor, whose evidence was found to have become significant in the wrongful conviction of Sally Clark among others.

After the parents took their child to Alder Hey Hospital to try to get a second opinion, Evans involved the Local Authority, alleging that she was being effectively abused by her family.

Evans continued to insist that there was no medical issue and was instrumental in persuading the Local Authority and subsequently a Court, that the child was at risk from her family and should be removed from their care.

In an act of desperation the family took the child to the US to see a specialist, who diagnosed the rare condition Zollinger-Ellison syndrome. However, the UK Local Authority caused her to be seized at gunpoint in the US, removed from her family and returned to the UK in the care of social workers. Bonnie was never returned to her family despite the US diagnosis being eventually accepted by the LA and her recovering with the appropriate treatment.[6]

 

Is that an insane story to you guys? This guy is the most confident bozo ever. He’s 100% sure of things that could be something else over and over throughout his whole life.

 

This is the guy who overruled coroners who already decided the babies died of natural causes and came up with alternative theories. He then convinced the jury of these theories that now experts all around the world say were ill-thought and highly likely bad theories. You can make a much stronger cause this guy was motivated by money and ego than you can a motive for Lucy letby(the best motive they came up with is she made babies ill to save them to impress a doctor she crushed on….highly dubious)

 

So that’s a large part of why I look at this case a lot differently. It’s easy to dismiss people as expert shopping but if you look deeper into it, it’s actually just frustrated experts trying to correct a guy who was making it up on the fly but convinced of his own genius.

 

 

 

You can make a much stronger cause this guy was motivated by money and ego than you can a motive for Lucy letby(the best motive they came up with is she made babies ill to save them to impress a doctor she crushed on….highly dubious)

 

For what it's worth, I've never actually believed this because she started doing it month's before this doctor was on the scene and she'd even met him.

 

We could endlessly theorise, but the only person who can definitively reveal a motive is Letby herself. Somehow I think the likelihood of her ever doing so is practically nil.

For what it's worth, I've never actually believed this because she started doing it month's before this doctor was on the scene and she'd even met him.

 

We could endlessly theorise, but the only person who can definitively reveal a motive is Letby herself. Somehow I think the likelihood of her ever doing so is practically nil.

 

Yeah so they alleged a motive that they surely knew made little sense. Just added to noise to pollute a juries mind.

 

 

Latest article from the economist

 

https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/02/1...tion-was-unsafe

 

It increasingly looks as if Lucy Letby’s conviction was unsafe

The case of a nurse jailed for killing babies exposes deep problems with British justice

https://archive.is/2025.02.10-211712/https:...tion-was-unsafe

 

 

 

 

I was reading all the latest on this case.

 

Karen Rees is interesting. She was the head of nursing at the time. She defended Letby repeatedly and even offered to be a witness for her defence but after she was found guilty she said she was deceived by Letby and that she was very cunning. She has now gone back on that completely and says she thinks she’s innocent all over again and that she was ‘advised’ to say negative things about Letby after the guilty verdict.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/news/national/...nursing-139468/

 

Following Letby’s conviction in 2023, Ms Rees was advised to publicly denounce the nurse, and she said at the time: “(Letby) was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived.”

 

But asked by The Sunday Times why she believes Letby is innocent, she said: “The one person that knows her nursing team is the manager or the unit manager – not a consultant that visits a couple of times a week.

 

“They know the strengths and weaknesses. I trusted Lucy’s ward manager when she looked me in the eye and said, ‘she’s (Letby) fantastic and she’s right by the book, she does everything right’.

 

“I believed Lucy when she told me she had done nothing wrong.

 

 

Chris Fitzpatrick is a clinical professor in UCD’s School of Medicine and a former master of the Coombe Hospital, Dublin. He stated that the jury were not adept enough to understand what they were being told. Interestingly America, Ireland, Canada, Australia & New Zealand seem to have non stop experts who openly say this case was a sham but the UK less so….

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/02/...her-conviction/

 

Having worked as a consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist in Ireland for more than 30 years, I am perturbed by several issues about the Letby case.

 

First, the increase in death rate in babies in the hospital’s neonatal unit did not happen in a vacuum. As widely reported in the media since the trial, the hospital was struggling. At the time, the neonatal unit was a Level 2 unit that accepted babies of 27 weeks and over – yet only one of its seven paediatric consultants had speciality training in neonatology. The admission rate and the level of clinical complexity had also increased at this time. Of note, six of the seven babies who died in the Letby case were premature, three weighing less than 3lb.

 

In September 2016, a visit by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health to the hospital’s neonatal unit found that junior staff had “insufficient cover” and “a reluctance to seek advice”. It was also noted that the recent increase in deaths was not solely confined to the neonatal unit. There was an increase in stillbirths in the maternity unit also.

 

After Letby was removed from clinical duty, the death rate in the neonatal unit fell; however, this was coincidental with its redesignation as a Level 1 unit, accepting only babies of 32 weeks and over.

 

As we have seen time and time again in this country, particularly in smaller hospitals under pressure and with limited resources, when you’re flying by the seat of your pants, you may be just one step away from a disaster – or a cluster of them.

Also the main person assigned at the Guardian to cover the Letby trial who saw all the same evidence the jury did. He was there at the trial pretty much every single day. Initially he thought on the balance of probabilities she was guilty but now thinks likely innocent

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2025...nnocent-podcast

 

Josh Halliday, the Guardian’s North of England editor, reported on the trial and heard the evidence put before the jury. He said: “Until last week, I think I believed, on the balance of probabilities, that Lucy Letby was probably guilty.” However, the press conference raised some serious questions that have made him rethink his opinion.

 

The investigative reporter Felicity Lawrence has been examining the case for 18 months and tells Helen Pidd about what the ramifications of a retrial could be. “I think if it does turn out, as looks increasingly likely, to be a huge, historic miscarriage of justice, there’ll be questions that have to be answered by many institutions.”

 

Former Labour MP who exposed the conviction of the Birmingham 6 says this case has strong parallels. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14...Lucy-Letby.html

 

 

If almost everybody credible and highly respected now sways this way the question to everybody else should be…Are you willing to let somebody very possibly innocent rot in jail due to the inadequate procedures of the UK archaic system?

 

Judging by the last few pages some people are and that is an extremely odd position to take all things considered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting story in the daily mail today

 

https://archive.is/2025.02.22-014407/https:...wist-freed.html

 

Only 3% of cases brought to the CCRC are successfully referred to the appeals courts.

 

Yet one of those successfully referred was Scottish nurse Colin Norris convicted in 2008 and labelled the angel of death for killing four elderly patients with insulin.

 

The UK’s former leading insulin expert Alan Wayne Jones thinks the evidence against him was flawed in a very similar way to Lucy Letby.

 

His appeal case is in May and is expected to last four weeks, should he walk free it’ll be a big indication Lucy will too but he will have lost 17 years of his in prison! How many of these are there in prison?

 

 

 

Edited February 22Feb 22 by Liam sota

This country (the legal system, the media and the people!) has a serious problem with admitting when they’re wrong

Pretty much every day a new story comes out giving another reason why she’s likely innocent. The latest is this one.

Mail Online

Statement supporting Lucy Letby's innocence 'was kept fro...

The evidence from Dr Astha Soni, a paediatrician at the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital where Letby worked, disputed claims by prosecution experts.

A bombshell statement given to police that supported Lucy Letby's claim to be innocent of murdering babies was not disclosed to her defence team, it was claimed yesterday.

The evidence from Dr Astha Soni, a paediatrician at the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital where Letby worked, disputed claims by prosecution experts that the poor health of one baby in the unit, Baby Y, was linked to insulin poisoning by Letby.

According to the UnHerd website, Dr Soni's statement said Baby Y's high insulin levels were due to a genetic condition which produces excess levels of the hormone.

This contradicted claims by Dewi Evans, the controversial retired paediatrician who played a central role in the prosecution, who told police that Baby Y had been given 'insulin from an external source'.

The statement by Dr Soni calls into question the prosecution's methodology and was never passed to Letby's defence by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

Mysteriously, Dr Soni's document briefly appeared on the website of Lady Justice Thirwall's public inquiry into the Letby case late on February 17 before vanishing soon afterwards. 

The growing doubts about the safety of Letby's conviction are placing pressure on Lady Thirwall to pause her inquiry, which is based on the presumption Letby is guilty.

I also just watched toxic town on Netflix where tons of kids in one area were born with defects and they covered it up for 15 years until eventually they were forced to come clean.

BBC News

'He was born navy blue': Real-life stories of Toxic Town...

The drama tells the story of how families fought for justice over their children's birth defects.

Despite the post office scandal getting huge attention they STILL haven’t paid people and they waited until one victim died to offer his widow a lower amount https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ernpd0k22o.amp

Then this week I saw an ITV show where UK police took the names of dead kids to have relationships(sexual) with women to infiltrate groups https://www.itv.com/news/central/2025-03-06/itv-itvx-the-undercover-police-scandal-love-and-lies-exposed

It’s just one scandal after another and for some reason it needs to take a minimum of 15 years usually a lot longer to come clean or shine a light on it. This country really has a big problem with justice and fairness. All evidence points to the fact Lucy Letby is highly likely innocent and to this day the ability to correct a wrong is just not conducive to justice which surely contradicts the point of a justice system.

The story about police stealing the identities of dead children was broken by the Guardian years ago. The rest of the media chose to ignore it.

20 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:

The story about police stealing the identities of dead children was broken by the Guardian years ago. The rest of the media chose to ignore it.

I heard of it somewhere before but the ITV depiction was pretty good. It seemed more the women figured it all out themselves almost.

There are just so many scandals it’s hard to remember what is what.

Recently it was revealed that a neo-nazi who was beating his girlfriend with a machete was protected by MI5 because he was a spy for them. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew5rwpw579o.amp

Very interesting but confusing development. The police are now investigating people from that same unit for gross manslaughter and negligence.

Sky News

Lucy Letby: Police investigation into hospital widened to...

An investigation into corporate manslaughter was launched in October 2023 following the trial and conviction of the ex-nurse - but Cheshire Constabulary have now widened their probe.

I don’t really know what this means. They aren’t just investigating managers either. They also say it doesn’t affect Lucy’s convictions which is a little baffling.

Why would it affect LL's convictions?

It's quite obviously in relation to those that ignored concerns about her, and in turn allowed her to carry on with this. Hopefully they'll now be held accountable.

22 hours ago, Jessie Where said:

Why would it affect LL's convictions?

It's quite obviously in relation to those that ignored concerns about her, and in turn allowed her to carry on with this. Hopefully they'll now be held accountable.

I guess it’s not difficult to understand unless you’ve fallen down the ‘she’s definitely definitely innocent’ rabbit hole…

22 hours ago, Jessie Where said:

Why would it affect LL's convictions?

It's quite obviously in relation to those that ignored concerns about her, and in turn allowed her to carry on with this. Hopefully they'll now be held accountable.

Bit of an odd thing to do given the climate then. If it appears to all reasonable observers that you’ve made a royal screw up and a huge miscarriage of justice has taken place then surely you don’t try to prosecute even more people. Then again nothing surprises me in this country.

Except she's not innocent, you may be utterly convinced she is based on evidence not proven in a court of law, but legally at this point in time, she is not. And her conviction wasn't the end of it - the lack of response to concerns raised about her is indicative of manslaughter, the families deserve to know this and those shameful figures brought to light.

28 minutes ago, Chez Wombat said:

Except she's not innocent, you may be utterly convinced she is based on evidence not proven in a court of law, but legally at this point in time, she is not. And her conviction wasn't the end of it - the lack of response to concerns raised about her is indicative of manslaughter, the families deserve to know this and those shameful figures brought to light.

It just doesn’t make any sense at this moment of time.

The Thirlwall inquiry is questioning whether they should pause while huge doubts exist over her guilt. https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://t.co/ScQjjPICDl There is a current heavily backed appeal underway.

So for the police to potentially persecute people for not noticing or acting on crimes that most likely didn’t occur after previously framing someone else for multiple instances of murder and attempted murder when likely none occurred is the height of madness. The families shouldn’t be used as some sort of moral flag when most likely they’ve been put through a huge ordeal twice when it was all for nothing.

Ultimately if I were to be conspiratorial I’d say the police and maybe higher ups are scared they got this wrong and making vague claims about future charges is a way to scare those who are voicing they got it wrong into silence or thinking they can be framed too.

On 14/03/2025 at 21:50, Liam S said:

Ultimately if I were to be conspiratorial I’d say the police and maybe higher ups are scared they got this wrong and making vague claims about future charges is a way to scare those who are voicing they got it wrong into silence or thinking they can be framed too.

Christ almighty on a bike

You are an actual nutcase if you genuinely believe what you've said here.

27 minutes ago, Jessie Where said:

Christ almighty on a bike

You are an actual nutcase if you genuinely believe what you've said here.

The Thirlwall inquiry has seen various nurses state they think she’s innocent and always did but were pressured to say otherwise. Suddenly now there are threats of charges for negligence towards potentially these nurses. Not far fetched to see a connection there.

They are not going after the nurses! It'll be people like Tony Chambers, Ian Harvey and Alison Kelly.

Those 3 in particular deserve to have the book thrown at them.

The potential suspects are not currently known but surely the obvious conclusion to draw based on the nature of the investigation is that they’re hospital management who looked the other way or refused to report what was going on? Not some nurses she may have been friends with?

This has nowt to do with the guilty nurse and everything to do with one of the worst and most incompetent hospitals in the entire UK. I will happy give evidence to their ineptitude.

My family came close to suing them over what happened to my Grandad in that place

On 16/03/2025 at 19:23, Silas said:

This has nowt to do with the guilty nurse and everything to do with one of the worst and most incompetent hospitals in the entire UK. I will happy give evidence to their ineptitude.

My family came close to suing them over what happened to my Grandad in that place

I'm really sorry to hear that. I likewise, have never forgiven my local hospital for their mistreatment of my grandfather in hospital, allowing him to lay in his own piss for god knows how long, not making him eat when they knew he had severe dementia and wouldn't eat unless he was fed. He came out of their worse than how he went in. Supposed to be there to care for people.

Article in the New York Times about the guy whose work was used to convict Lucy Letby and has since gone on a mission to free her. A lot of people say the Jury sat through 9 months of evidence but the media did too. They heard the same evidence and the lead writer who was there every single day from The Guardian said he changed his mind on her guilt due to Shoo Lee.

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/world/europe/lucy-letby-nurse-murder.html

When Dr. Shoo Lee, one of Canada’s most renowned neonatologists, wrote an academic paper in 1989, he never imagined it would one day help convict a British nurse of murder.

But more than three decades after his paper was published, that is what happened.

Lucy Letby, a former nurse in a neonatal unit in northern England, was found guilty in two trials in 2023 and 2024 of the murder or attempted murder of 14 babies in her care, and sentenced to life in prison, where she remains today.

The case rocked Britain, seeming to expose a remorseless serial killer who, prosecutors said, used a bizarre range of techniques to kill her tiny, often very premature, victims: Injecting them with air, overfeeding them with milk or contaminating their feeds with insulin.

For seven of the murder or attempted murder charges, the prosecution’s lead expert witness relied on Dr. Lee’s 1989 paper on a rare complication in newborns — pulmonary vascular air embolism — to argue that Ms. Letby had intentionally injected air into their veins.

The only problem? The expert witness had misinterpreted his work, Dr. Lee says.