the fact that for maybe the first 3 months of the year the only two songs that will be #1 are a folk song and a country song is pretty funny. On the flip debate to me only one person has flopped and that is Ariana. Only one lead single which was awful and now the remix from hell got her own fans questioning what is going on. I think Beyoncé might start to overtake Noah by the middle of the week that song is getting bigger by the day

the fact that for maybe the first 3 months of the year the only two songs that will be #1 are a folk song and a country song is pretty funny. On the flip debate to me only one person has flopped and that is Ariana. Only one lead single which was awful and now the remix from hell got her own fans questioning what is going on. I think Beyoncé might start to overtake Noah by the middle of the week that song is getting bigger by the day

That tends to be what a lead single is, yes :kink:

the fact that for maybe the first 3 months of the year the only two songs that will be #1 are a folk song and a country song is pretty funny. On the flip debate to me only one person has flopped and that is Ariana. Only one lead single which was awful and now the remix from hell got her own fans questioning what is going on. I think Beyoncé might start to overtake Noah by the middle of the week that song is getting bigger by the day

 

Give it a rest x

but I disagree bout predicting people are gonna debut at #1

especially with Dua

Houdini had the bad luck that Jack Harlow out of the blue released o nthe same day

but had Houdini been released any of the last weeks when Kenya- Strangers was on top, Houdini would have debuted at #1

Future Nostalgia made Dua a superstar so it's 100% normal to predict her lead for the next album is gonna be #1

and it was just bad luck that it didn't

Nothing wrong with predicting Houdini might debut at #1, as you said, it stood a very good chance but an unexpected viral hit got in the way. Training Season, as the second single of the era, is a different kettle of fish as the second single from a big star's era often performs less well (immediately) than its predecessor. Physical compared to Don't Start Now, Shivers compared to Bad Habits, You Need to Calm Down compared to ME!, etc. It's rare that it goes the other way round, and that's natural as typically the first single comes after a break or gap since the last material, which the second single doesn't benefit from. It's why I don't think Training Season was ever really a #1 contender, and that's totally fine!

to me only one person has flopped and that is Ariana. Only one lead single which was awful

2-3-5-7-10 and midweek #5 at the start of week 6.

 

Just leaving this chart run here to highlight how silly it is to call it a flop. :drama:

I’m by no means an Ariana fan, but to call Yes, and? a flop is outrageous That Mariah remix is still the worst thing I’ve heard this decade, however.

 

Nor do I think Training Season not debuting at #1 is an underperformance. Like Joseph said, Dua has never debuted at #1 before, so what exactly is it an underperformance in relation to? In order for it to be an underperformance, she would have to have a reputation for consistently debuting at #1, which is evidently not the case. Do I think Training Season is going to be huge? No. There is something missing for me as for as the song is concerned, but I have no doubt that it will experience some degree of commercial success, and I think she’s destined for a #1 album in both the US and UK. Dua is not going anywhere as much as some of you seem desperate for her to fall off the face of the earth. I am not a fan but she seems like a pretty lovely person and she’s proven herself to be a very capable artist.

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I’m pleased for Beyoncé but it’s frustrating because she had so much better material that didn’t do as well due to her own release tactics. Her first solo UK no.1 since If I Were a Boy being … this … is hard to conceive but I guess her star power is a lot of the force behind it now.

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the fact that for maybe the first 3 months of the year the only two songs that will be #1 are a folk song and a country song is pretty funny. On the flip debate to me only one person has flopped and that is Ariana. Only one lead single which was awful and now the remix from hell got her own fans questioning what is going on. I think Beyoncé might start to overtake Noah by the middle of the week that song is getting bigger by the day

Ariana is laughing hitting #1 and Top 2 in the US. She is just fine, no flop whatsoever, she's due to return to the Top 5! Maybe dedicate your passion to her "flopping" somewhere else that could be more productive!

also I don't get the "has never debut at #1 before" argument

When you have a big era, that takes you to a higher level of fame for the next era

you're not on the same level as the previous era, you're more famous now that you were before

so the expectations are higher and you should do better

when you have a huge era, you plant the seeds for the next one, as they say "you reap what you sow"

 

for instance Madonna after the True Blue era, she releases a weak song like Who's That Girl but it becomes her highest debut era straight in the top 3 for the first time and then climbs to #1. She had never debuted top 3, but obviously she did with Whos That Girl cos the previous era made her huge.

 

So don't agree with Joseph's argument cos you totally ignore the "you reap what you sow" part

also I don't get the "has never debut at #1 before" argument

When you have a big era, that takes you to a higher level of fame for the next era

you're not on the same level as the previous era, you're more famous now that you were before

so the expectations are higher and you should do better

when you have a huge era, you plant the seeds for the next one, as they say "you reap what you sow"

 

for instance Madonna after the True Blue era, she releases a weak song like Who's That Girl but it becomes her highest debut era straight in the top 3 for the first time and then climbs to #1. She had never debuted top 3, but obviously she did with Whos That Girl cos the previous era made her huge.

 

So don't agree with Joseph's argument cos you totally ignore the "you reap what you sow" part

And Dua benefited from that by debuting higher than ever with Don't Start Now. This didn't follow through with Physical which took six weeks to reach the top 10, and that was following a huge era too. Houdini, as you said yourself, was heading for a possible #1 debut but got unlucky. There's no precedent for her second single from the era to get anywhere near #1 on debut, and as I said in my previous post (which you seem to have totally ignored), it's similar for most big artists and eras.

I know I know, agree on that... I'm talking about what many were saying that we shouldn't expect an artist to debut at #1 if they've never done it before, thats what I don't agree with

 

It's like Adele, Someone like You debuted at #36 but was gigantic and the 21 era was gigantic...

Flashforward to the 25 era... Adele had never debuted at #1... but of course the expectations were thru the roof and everybody expected her to debut at #1 with Hello and she did of course

 

thats what I meant, that when you have a huge era, you plant the seeds for the net era to be even bigger

 

 

Stable Spotify update for Beyoncé and Dua today, remaining at #2 and #14, respectively,

1 Noah 618K

2 Beyonce 427K

3 Benson 389K

11 (23) Djo 232K

14 Dua-Training Season 203K

 

Benson gone from 1 to 6 on Amazon music for some reason

for instance Madonna after the True Blue era, she releases a weak song like Who's That Girl but it becomes her highest debut era straight in the top 3 for the first time and then climbs to #1. She had never debuted top 3, but obviously she did with Whos That Girl cos the previous era made her huge.

Actually 'True Blue' debuted in the top 3 but I get your point.

Insane for Djo! :o

 

Benson up to #3 on Apple for the first time.

Wow incredible for Djo, I’ll definitely need to give the song a listen at some point!

I know I know, agree on that... I'm talking about what many were saying that we shouldn't expect an artist to debut at #1 if they've never done it before, thats what I don't agree with

 

It's like Adele, Someone like You debuted at #36 but was gigantic and the 21 era was gigantic...

Flashforward to the 25 era... Adele had never debuted at #1... but of course the expectations were thru the roof and everybody expected her to debut at #1 with Hello and she did of course

 

thats what I meant, that when you have a huge era, you plant the seeds for the net era to be even bigger

 

I generally agree with this, but you bring up Adele and she missed #1 with Skyfall at a time when she was the biggest pop star I've ever seen. And it's a great song too. It still did really well overall though, just not a #1 somehow.

I generally agree with this, but you bring up Adele and she missed #1 with Skyfall at a time when she was the biggest pop star I've ever seen. And it's a great song too. It still did really well overall though, just not a #1 somehow.

It had a Friday release, so debuted at #4 on two days of sales, then climbed to #2 the next week, but it might've been different had its first 7 days of sales counted to the same chart. (But it was also up against 'Diamonds' and 'Don't You Worry Child' which were big releases too!)

 

Skyfall was considered somewhat of a commercial underperformance at the time IIRC