They can add BCR for British chart rules. British acts sales and streams count 15% more than non British acts.

 

What would happen to a band like All Saints where they are 50% British, 50% Canadian? :P

Remove the streaming from chart.

"Remove the biggest form of music consumption in the country"

I like the idea of ACR and understand why it's there. But I wish it was more of a gradual decline as opposed to being a harsh drop straight away.

 

Keep the 3 weeks thing but have it drop 10% each time or something.

 

DCL-3 - 10%

DCL-6 - Another 10%

DCL-9 - Final 10% off that

 

or something (maybe someone can tweak this idea more than I can). Idk. I just think (and dislike) 25% is such a harsh drop right away, when the songs are still as popular as they are etc... it means a more static chart, sure, but I don't think they should be completely penalised when they're still so popular. I think attention needs to be turned to playlisting and how songs that are streamed from playlists should count for less than those that are counted from a profile who has actively searched that song out to listen to but not sure if there's a way for them to tell what songs were streamed from curated playlists like HHUK and those from someone else's playlist/from their profile.

Ban Central Cee from appearing on it.

 

Second this.

 

In all seriousness though, ACR is good and does the job it needs to. The chart always goes through stale periods, and recent weeks have shown this to be the case, but alas it's still *mostly* a true reflection of what people are listening to. Whilst I like an earlier suggestion in the thread about removing streams that have been counted from say a Spotify-curated playlist, Hot Hits UK is really the only playlist to have that kind of dominance in the UK and there's a lot of music on there that isn't in the chart at all meaning whilst influential they're not the only thing responsible for dictating the chart positions (can also argue here ACR is doing the job it should).

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by lewistgreen

ACR is pretty solid, removing it would make the chart unbearably dull - I recall listening to the chart show every Friday at university in 2016/17 and sometimes there'd be weeks where the entire top 10 stayed completely static :') (same era as when Drake did his 15 week stint at #1 I believe, need I say more x)

 

I would perhaps increase the ACR ratio slightly to help ease songs out of the top 40 at a faster pace.

Remove the streaming from chart.

what is your rationale for this, like I can't possibly understand how you'd think this is a good idea lol

Stick old song catalog chart get rid of fleetwood mac and mr brightside out. And also help December when chart get mess up Christmas song take whole chart up and then cause massive mass January get old song get rest back scr because got disadvantage of Christmas songs knock acr make January very boring get stuck old song get rest

I would keep ACR. I wouldn’t go for the multi level ACR myself as I think it gets too complex and non-transparent. I think rather than 3 consecutive weeks of decline which is too subject to arbitrary bumps, you should go to ACR when you reach a total percentage decline from peak (say 20%), subject to having notched up enough weeks in the chart.

 

The way I see it ACR is supposed to give songs higher peaks by shunting songs that are past their peak. So you should only need a re-set if you’re set to reach a new peak, and you get it immediately on that week. No other re-sets. Would be much simpler and make re-sets rarer and only for songs that didn’t do as well as they should have first time round.

 

Not sure about the 3 track rule - I get the need for it on a big album release week but I think it’s too harsh when you have an artist like Taylor who happens to have multiple genuine hits from different album campaigns at the same time. You could say you’re allowed up to 3 new entries on your album release week and maximum one new entry in a “normal” week or something like that, but once a song is in it gets to stay in.

it's beyond saving, pass it on to me and I'll compile a top 40 for them :teresa: (sounds like i'm joking but i mean, if you think about it....)

 

like in theory ACR + all its stipulations should be done away due to being arbitrary and making the whole thing look a bit ridiculous, but at that point you may as well do away with the chart countdown given how stagnant and stale it would be lmao

 

(idk maybe there's a way to rework ACR to make it more palatable, but y'know.....cynicism requires less brain power xx)

Scrap the whole thing. It’s gone too far now and it’s unsaveably crap.

 

Play an official streaming chart on Radio 1 and an official sales chart on Radio 2. Keep the demographics happy. Play a top 20 album chart somewhere too once streams are removed from it.

What would happen to a band like All Saints where they are 50% British, 50% Canadian? :P

 

If the lead vocalist is British they get the special treatment otherwise no

Good fix would be to stop truncating credits to the point of ambiguity/omission. If they simply must have the excessive amount of empty space on the increasingly large chart presentation they've got, then just make some alt-text or something.

Ban unnecessary resets and if a song is on SCR when it passes the 3 year threshold, automatically move it to ACR

I'm pro-ACR and if anything think it should be harsher and do a better job at giving a boost to newer songs, maybe being based partly on momentum/build in listeners, kicking away older songs quicker.

 

But the real problem is the behaviour of listeners, streaming services and the music business rather than the chart itself.

 

The average time spent in the charts in last Week's Irish top 30 singles was 19 weeks! So that is another example of the fact the singles chart which should be vibrant is far too slow. That will not help with interest or promotion. In the past, records were removed from the lower echelons of the chart to help others gain a foothold so that should happen again. I would increase ACR even further so that older songs began to disappear from the top 100. What benefit it is to anyone wanting to engage with music to have Mr Brightside there forever? And as another poster said, certain songs could go to a Golden oldies chart and if they show a dramatic increase in popularity then they can transfer to the main chart again. And as for Christmas, that is beyond a joke every year.

While ACR is fine as a concept, in practice there is so much arbitration around the margins (never mind the reset rules) that it almost creates more problems than it solves. For example, Billie Eilish and Dasha increased by less than the market last week but it counts as an increase, while the previous week Myles Smith decreased but by less than the market and that also counts as an increase - this just feels too benefit of the doubt, and one of those conditions needs to change really. It's true that all of them could get new peaks this week, but only as a result of other songs above them going to ACR. Shaboozey has been ahead of Billie in real terms for weeks and perhaps again this week, but will likely end up with the lower peak as it never had the benefit of 'Espresso' going to ACR before it.

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by jimwatts

What I'd really like to see is a chart that works like the chart used to in the pre-digital era. One that tracks people discovering songs for the first time, that sees songs move their way up the chart as they become more popular, but then once they've reached that peak of popularity, they don't hang around like a bad smell. It would be a complex formula, but if they have the data, they can do it.

 

The problem is that would be seen as too radical to replace the official top 40 with, so it would probably have to be an alternative listing.

 

However, then problem becomes how do you generate any interest for that chart. They tried the Breakers chart in the 90s and no one cared. Then they have that Trending chart that comes out on Tuesday and no one cares about that either. So maybe it can't work.

It's a hard one to get right, I've always felt actual sales in both charts often get lost and overlooked, for example an album could sell 2k physicals and not appear in the chart where other albums with about 10 sales and fake streaming is top 20I don't know percentages but there are a lot of fake streams that boost songs unfairly in the singles chart which makes the chart feel very manipulated.

 

Get rid of the 3 track rule and only allow official singles to chart instead.

Get rid of the 3 track rule and only allow official singles to chart instead.

Even in the era of downloads, that wasn't a rule. As far as I'm aware.

Edited July 22, 2024Jul 22 by Hassaan