May 30May 30 2 hours ago, Hadji said:A lot of the songs on the SCR list should be on the DCL1, 2 or 3 list as they declined in sales. This market thing needs to stop and a decline should mean a declineI agree. If they just took out the whole "relative to market share" thing and based it on a simple decline in streaming 3 weeks in a row the chart would likely be a lot fresher with more songs shifting to ACR giving newer songs a chance to chart.
May 31May 31 The problem is in some weeks everything declines so you could end up with too much in ACR but I kind of agree too
May 31May 31 28 minutes ago, Liam Sota said:The problem is in some weeks everything declines so you could end up with too much in ACR but I kind of agree tooI would rather take too much ACR than what we have now The first few weeks or so there will be a massive blood bath in the chart if it was implemented, but if songs are still popular they will still chart well for a long time (the likes of "BIRDS OF A FEATHER"/"Espresso" etc still racked up many more weeks top 40 whilst on ACR - the former still there!!).I quite enjoying looking at the chart outside the top 40 as well and a 3 week decline regardless of market share would likely open up the top 100 to a lot more newer songs charting. Christmas would be rather entertaining as all non-Christmas songs will be on ACR by early December so we would likely get Christmas domination like never seen before.
May 31May 31 8 hours ago, Liam Sota said:The problem is in some weeks everything declines so you could end up with too much in ACR but I kind of agree tooThat's not a problem at all 🤣
June 1Jun 1 I’ve said before but I don’t think going to ACR should need 3 CONSECUTIVE weeks of anything - should be once the total decline is more than (say) 20%. Then no reset unless you’re back to within 10% of your peak would avoid these ridiculous 2nd runs for former #1s.
June 1Jun 1 I get that thought in theory but it would heavily hinder songs which had very big debut weeks
June 1Jun 1 36 minutes ago, Maestro said:I get that thought in theory but it would heavily hinder songs which had very big debut weeksTo be clear you’d still get the 9 week grace period - could even make it slightly more, say 12 weeks. If you’ve had a very big 1st week you’ve almost certainly hit your peak position straight away, so no harm in being moved aside after a while? Assuming the main point of ACR is clearing songs which have no further chance of peaking.
June 2Jun 2 I think no matter what system you concoct for this, there are always going to be exceptions that muddy it up on both sides of the fence. Songs like "Heat Waves" & "Levitating" maybe don't come to mind as being hard done by, but probably were worthy of getting a proper showing of their second winds. Or "Something In The Orange" as an example of a hit that probably would have made the top 40(? Correct me if I'm wrong, I see it made #60 on streaming but don't know how many ACR songs it'd be jumping), but is arbitrarily beholden to an earlier stint of its chart run. But then that's the challenge of coming up with the system in 2017 with no idea what the state of music consumption to come was going to be. Even that isolated pocket came after Ed Sheeran, Stormzy, Drake & Kendrick Lamar had all overflowed the chart in quick succession, making that seem like the norm to come...except those kinds of streaming performances are no way near as common now in 2025 as I think people would have expected back then.Once the chart starts getting treated like this, the notion that everything is going to retain the same justified rank of represented popularity, just on closer margins, is too crazy a pipe dream to consider, and it's better to treat ACR as just a means to allow more songs onto the chart, which it does. If Alex Warren or Benson Boone go onto ACR right now, their songs will probably still be in the top 40(? Again, not sure, maybe "Beautiful Things" drops to #45 or something), that's not adding any new songs onto the chart, just slightly adding to the rankings of the ones that are already there. I've never liked the idea of ACR as a satisfying send-off to a plaguing hit, because the very nature of it has never been satisfying to me. I want to feel like that song I dislike has actually been shifted out of the collective conscious, not just pushed aside arbitrarily so I can pretend that it's not there until the End Of Year chart confronts me with the truth. I don't like the idea that the only reason ACR exists is because deep down, there's a Facebook boomer brain in everyone that doesn't want to see the new generation's mangled charts and lousy stars take over all the cherished records of the past. There's a line I've seen in a few stories I've read recently, where a 'crooked' game master always feels compelled to provide a chance for their player to win their rigged game, because with no chance for the game master to lose, there's no excitement for them. What's the excitement of a record for sales, weeks in the top 10 or whatever if the OCC is actively making sure they can't get broken? That's boring.I hope Alex Warren does get 17+ weeks at #1, partly so I never have to hear the phrase 'Bryan Adams record' again, and because he'll have had to beat a system that's designed to stop it from ever happening to do so.
June 2Jun 2 Interesting point you made about the chart overflows, I think we can at least we grateful for 3 track per artist rule because I would imagine album bombs would pretty much happen all the time like they do on Billboard and the singles chart would effectively become a weekly national album listenalong.Also yes the introduction of ACR effectively did make it extremely difficult for anyone to ever break Bryan Adam's record (I think Despacito and Dance Monkey would both have matched it in a no-ACR world) but it's all the "tweaks" they've made since then which frustrate me because it seems as if they're all designed to make ACR less effective. Now it's become extremely easy to avoid ACR and to go back onto SCR so they might as well just abolish the whole rule.
June 2Jun 2 I also think the initial ACR rule was better, when songs needed a 50% increase. Not sure why they dropped to 25%it's almost like they wanted songs to go back SCR more easily.
June 2Jun 2 1 hour ago, Dobbo said:Interesting point you made about the chart overflows, I think we can at least we grateful for 3 track per artist rule because I would imagine album bombs would pretty much happen all the time like they do on Billboard and the singles chart would effectively become a weekly national album listenalong.Also yes the introduction of ACR effectively did make it extremely difficult for anyone to ever break Bryan Adam's record (I think Despacito and Dance Monkey would both have matched it in a no-ACR world) but it's all the "tweaks" they've made since then which frustrate me because it seems as if they're all designed to make ACR less effective. Now it's become extremely easy to avoid ACR and to go back onto SCR so they might as well just abolish the whole rule.What I meant to say was that if you got rid of the 3 track rule, there just wouldn't be anywhere near the disruption that might have felt like the inevitable future of the charts at that point. Those 4 albums I mentioned were all released in the space of 2 months. No single album in 2025 so far has matched any of them for just how much streaming real estate they took up. I looked through the year of Spotify charts and only really Central Cee managed more than 5-6 entries at once, he had 8 songs in the Spotify top 50. All of those albums I mentioned had more than that, including a Drake album that was released this year (Kendrick had a good showing late last year, but still less than he had with "DAMN."). I know Taylor Swift is still more than capable of doing this and it's a matter of time, but I don't think anyone in 2017 was suggesting this sort of chart activity was on the way out. If anything it felt like more and more artists were going to be capable of doing it. With that in mind, it feels like the OCC over-reacted to a future they couldn't fully predict.You're right that it still happens a lot on the Billboard Hot 100, but I think America has a more fragmented melting pot of music taste that more easily allows it to happen (or maybe music promotion is just more aggressive, I'm not sure). Enough to even offset the radio airplay factor that stacks the deck against it. That and the Hot 100 is arguably excluding way more songs to reach their #100 than the UK charts, so I'd hesitate to acknowledge it as significantly below the top 50 zone with all the recurrency. I get that a lot of people dislike those weeks on the chart but I've always found them exciting and interesting as a disruption of the humdrum weeks, and a chance for a lot of really interesting stuff to appear on the chart that would never make it through the usual cycle of single promotion on playlists & the radio. Really, I just like the charts not to be tampered with; give us the raw data, not a false image of what the general public is listening to.
June 2Jun 2 On the weeks where EVERYTHING declines, wouldn't that largely be solved by the following week most of them increasing again?The worst bit here is when everything declines, but the ones which were declining anyway are "saved" because they then didn't decline more that the market average (or whatever it is).Genuinely, if let's say Ordinary or Beautiful things got to DCL-2 and then genuinely increased the following week, then what matters? It's just when they get saved due to the (seemingly) stupid market rule.
June 2Jun 2 1 hour ago, ChrisJK said:On the weeks where EVERYTHING declines, wouldn't that largely be solved by the following week most of them increasing again?The worst bit here is when everything declines, but the ones which were declining anyway are "saved" because they then didn't decline more that the market average (or whatever it is).Genuinely, if let's say Ordinary or Beautiful things got to DCL-2 and then genuinely increased the following week, then what matters? It's just when they get saved due to the (seemingly) stupid market rule.Point of the market decline rule is that in theory, everything is seeing a general decline, so if you're declining less than everything else, you probably would be gaining under usual circumstances. It'd be like for instance if there's a big World Cup game on, and suddenly a large swathe of the population who might otherwise be listening to music for some of those 2 hours are glued to the game, causing a slight dip pretty much across the board. There may be edge cases, a bunch of people who were listening to the new Sleep Token album when it came out probably didn't just listen to the same amount of music the week before or after, so that's a slight market shift that's not massively affecting anything else.I could see the argument then that they shouldn't have it both ways, and so a market increase shouldn't allow for ACR dodging if the individual increase is less than the market, but I think the point of the set up is to try and be certain that the songs are on their way out, and 3 consecutive declines beyond the market is reasonable enough proof to them. Unless there's solid evidence to suggest an increased volume of serial ACR dodgers that are singlehandedly preventing livelier chart activity, I don't think the OCC are going to see any problem with what's going on at the moment. Although maybe I'm wrong to say that given how readily they've jumped the gun on this before.
June 6Jun 6 Author DCL-1Alex Warren ~ OrdinaryAlex Warren ~ Carry You HomeChappell Roan ~ Pink Pony ClubCharli XCX ~ Party 4 UJack Black ~ Steve's Lava ChickenJazzy and Kilimanjaro ~ No Bad VibesMyles Smith ~ Nice To Meet YouTate McRae ~ Revolving DoorDCL-2David Guetta and Sia ~ Beautiful PeopleDCL-3Benson Boone ~ Sorry I'm Here For Someone ElseCharli XCX ~ Girl, So ConfusingD4vd ~ Feel ItDrake ~ NokiaLil Tecca ~ Dark ThoughtsNathan Dawe and Abi Flynn ~ Here In Your ArmsSelena Gomez and Benny Blanco ~ Bluest FlameSleep Token ~ CaramelTeddy Swims ~ Bad Dreams – finally!! thank god...The Weeknd and Playboi Carti ~ TimelessSCRAddison Rae ~ Headphones OnBenson Boone ~ Beautiful Things – continuing to dodge ACR by the smallest of margins as it gains... 38 sales :/Dire Straits ~ Sultans of SwingEd Sheeran ~ AzizamIn Parallel ~ Now It's GoneJames Hype ~ Don't Wake Me UpJosh Baker and Omar+ ~ Back It UpMiley Cyrus ~ End of the WorldMoliy and Silent Addy ~ Shake It to the Max (Fly)Morgan Seatree ~ Say My Name (feat. Florence + The Machine)Rachel Chinouriri ~ All I Ever AskedRavyn Lenae ~ Love Me NotRudimental and Khalid ~ All I KnowSkye Newman ~ HairdresserSombr ~ UndressedSombr ~ Back To FriendsSonny Fodera and Clementine Douglas ~ Tell MeSub Focus and Bbyclose ~ On & Onall other charting songs not listed are either on ACR or have fewer than 7 charting weeks
June 6Jun 6 6 minutes ago, danG said:SCRBenson Boone ~ Beautiful Things – continuing to dodge ACR by the smallest of margins as it gains... 38 sales :/ Edited June 6Jun 6 by DanielCarey
June 6Jun 6 What a totally not pointless reset that was for Timeless.Also RIP Close to You which dropped out by itself this week before ACR could get it
June 6Jun 6 A nice clear out. But at "Beautiful Things" dodging yet again. Although I think its run in the top 10 is now possibly over as it slowly falls down and newer songs overtake.
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