That’s how pre-orders for singles/albums have always worked (you buy/pre-order it before you’ve heard majority of it)? I don’t understand the issues? Lmao

Anyway, those pressings are really cute! I like that some thought went into them and they weren’t just *random colour*. Unfortunately, apart from Little Mix, I don’t tend to bother with singles in physical form anymore. But I’ve seen a few of those shape like variant vinyl before (I even have Lover: Live In Paris) and they intrigue me for the pure novelty of them.

8 minutes ago, Sour Candy said:

Just shows how irrelevant of the musical aspect is with Taylor these days when ALL physical units are sold to people who haven't even heard the song.

Isn’t that the same for 99% of artists?

Major artists put limited album pre-orders up that sell out long before the album or multiple singles are released.

Ariana dropped 6 physicals (most of which sold out) before the song was premiered.

25 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

Why ariana had 6 physical variants onsale long before we heard a snippet and it was released this week,

Artists release physicals all thee time before songs are released or even heard 🤣🤣 but because Taylor does it successful she shouldnt be allowed 🤣🤣

My point here is about the time limit. With Ari's it was possible to order it after hearing the song, with some of Taylor's the timeframe ends before the song is even premiered.

With the CD's, even if supplies had not run out, they were due to be taken off sale before now, and we don't even have the song yet.

Edited Thursday at 19:432 days by Juranamo

6 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

My point here is about the time limit. With Ari's it was possible to order it after hearing the song, with some of Taylor's the timeframe ends before the song is even premiered.

With the CD's, even if supplies had not run out, they were due to be taken off sale before now, and we don't even have the song yet.

Exactly this.

Oh, and I'd just like to add that I'm actually excited about this song - I love alot of Taylor's music and went to the eras tour. If it was any other artist doing this tactic, I would call them out for it - but as far as I'm aware, noone else is doing it for singles. I wouldn't even be bothered if it was openly stated as limited to 500 copies (with no time limit), at least then there's a possibility less than 500 copies were sold prior to the song premiering, and therefore someone purchasing it might have actually heard the song prior to parting with their cash.

Albums are slightly different, because traditionally most people won't have heard a whole album before purchasing it anyway (I still wouldn't agree with time limits that end prior to being able to listen to the album, for what it's worth).

The singles chart is designed to measure how popular a song is. You can't measure that on a product that would never have been able to be purchased by someone that had actually heard the song, regardless of how much anticipation there was for it.

15 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

My point here is about the time limit. With Ari's it was possible to order it after hearing the song, with some of Taylor's the timeframe ends before the song is even premiered.

With the CD's, even if supplies had not run out, they were due to be taken off sale before now, and we don't even have the song yet.

But they always come back - I don’t think there’s ever been a time that she has released something as time limited for them not to reappear.

Agree with it or not her marketing team know how to create sales and FOMO (and looking at eBay 50% of the sales seem to be from resellers).

Ariana’s CDs and cassettes sold out before the song had been heard, 4 of Kylie’s vinyl drops were the same - artists with a stan fanbase are masters at selling unheard releases to fans and collectors and eBay flippers.

NOOOO I missed them! I've got all her releases but totally missed these. I'm gutted!

1 minute ago, ___∆___ said:

But they always come back - I don’t think there’s ever been a time that she has released something as time limited for them not to reappear.

Agree with it or not her marketing team know how to create sales and FOMO (and looking at eBay 50% of the sales seem to be from resellers).

Ariana’s CDs and cassettes sold out before the song had been heard, 4 of Kylie’s vinyl drops were the same - artists with a stan fanbase are masters at selling unheard releases to fans and collectors and eBay flippers.

This is kind of missing my point. Her marketing team can do this to make as much money as they want (it's perfectly legal, even if it feels exploitative). I just don't feel that the sales should count towards the chart. If your single can be excluded for being signed, why should this be something that counts?

(It's not a rule obviously, but it feels sketchy in the same way)

Edited Thursday at 20:022 days by Juranamo

1 minute ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

NOOOO I missed them! I've got all her releases but totally missed these. I'm gutted!

I know i was quite tempted to actually purchased the sheriffs badge variant and I literally only ever purchased 1 taylor vinyl before

Edited Thursday at 20:102 days by 777666jason

1 minute ago, 777666jason said:

I know i was quite tempted to actually purchased the sheriffs badge variant and I literally only ever purchased 1 taylor vinyl before and 1 cd

It must of been SUPER SUPER Limited because there's not even any UK resellers on Ebay yet!

Just now, Juranamo said:

I just don't feel that the sales should count towards the chart. If your single can be excluded for being signed, why should this be something that counts?

(It's not a rule obviously, but it feels sketchy in the same way)

Isn’t this the same as the iTunes pre-order days when they were dominant - you wouldn’t even get the 30 second snippet of the song and on release day it would go straight to #1 on iTunes due to all the pre-orders.

Or in the physical days when retailers would send a song silver or gold on anticipated demand before the song had been heard.

All the pop girls are guilty of limited edition singles dropping before a performance or premier - they just don’t have the same size fanbase as Taylor or the resale value for the eBay flippers.

Its the same argument every single time Taylor releases ,

Everybody does it , Taylors just successful at it so it bad she does it , but fine for everyone else, its tedious, pathetic and just dont right jealousy people need to get over it

Taylor gets a #1 and Ebay resellers their profits before the song is out. Efficient!

1 minute ago, ___∆___ said:

Isn’t this the same as the iTunes pre-order days when they were dominant - you wouldn’t even get the 30 second snippet of the song and on release day it would go straight to #1 on iTunes due to all the pre-orders.

Or in the physical days when retailers would send a song silver or gold on anticipated demand before the song had been heard.

All the pop girls are guilty of limited edition singles dropping before a performance or premier - they just don’t have the same size fanbase as Taylor or the resale value for the eBay flippers.

I wouldn't say so, no. Held back pre-orders a were not limited in availability (so therefore they could be purchased once you heard the song), and in most cases the song would have premiered before release.

As for physical certifications, only what was actually sold contributed to the charts, so that's not really comparable either. I'm not sure anyone really agreed with the whole shipments thing anyway 🤣

And I've covered that last one already, regardless if it sells out pre-release or not, at least those weren't marketed as ONLY being available pre-release in any circumstance. If not enough people ordered them, people could have purchased them after hearing the song.

But I'll leave it at that. It's not worth going in circles about!

8 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

This is kind of missing my point. Her marketing team can do this to make as much money as they want (it's perfectly legal, even if it feels exploitative). I just don't feel that the sales should count towards the chart. If your single can be excluded for being signed, why should this be something that counts?

(It's not a rule obviously, but it feels sketchy in the same way)

Surely this should count still? It’s clearly a limited number of copies, hence why they “sell out” before the timer runs out? So she’s not allowed to put (lets say purely for examples sake) 2.5k on sale, but other artists can sell the same amount because they don’t time their orders for it?

I just think the issue for most people is that unfortunately for them, it works for Taylor who has the audience that buys them more than it does for others. It’s hardly Taylor’s fault that her audience are quick to sell her stock out before the timer runs out? (She wouldn’t even need to put the timers up and she’d still sell them out due to them being limited)

Anyway, I’m not even sure these will count? Isn’t there 3 CD variants already, meaning 2 of the physical sales won’t count? (Or is it 3 per variant? I.e 3 CD, 3 vinyl etc..)

4 minutes ago, Sour Candy said:

Taylor gets a #1 and Ebay resellers their profits before the song is out. Efficient!

I could buy an ariana or lady gaga cd then sell it on ebay the sale still counts 🙄

Edited Thursday at 20:222 days by 777666jason

1 minute ago, Tafty said:

Surely this should count still? It’s clearly a limited number of copies, hence why they “sell out” before the timer runs out? So she’s not allowed to put (lets say purely for examples sake) 2.5k on sale, but other artists can sell the same amount because they don’t time their orders for it?

I just think the issue for most people is that unfortunately for them, it works for Taylor who has the audience that buys them more than it does for others. It’s hardly Taylor’s fault that her audience are quick to sell her stock out before the timer runs out? (She wouldn’t even need to put the timers up and she’d still sell them out due to them being limited)

Anyway, I’m not even sure these will count? Isn’t there 3 CD variants already, meaning 2 of the physical sales won’t count? (Or is it 3 per variant? I.e 3 CD, 3 vinyl etc..)

My issue was actually with the CDs tbh. The vinyl technically would be available after the timer (if it didn't sell out already).

Again: nothing against Taylor specifically, or even time limiting actually, just time limits ending before the song has premiered. If there was no time limit, I wouldn't have even said anything so I'll drop it now!

Edited Thursday at 20:342 days by Juranamo

19 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

My issue was actually with the CDs tbh. The vinyl technically would be available after the timer (if it didn't sell out already).

Again: nothing against Taylor specifically, or even time limiting actually, just time limits ending before the song has premiered. If there was no time limit, I wouldn't have even said anything so I'll drop it now!

Let's be honest the CD's / Vinyl's are being sold as 'Collectors' it's irrelevant what the song sounds like IMO.

2 minutes ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

Let's be honest the CD's / Vinyl's are being sold as 'Collectors' it's irrelevant what the song sounds like IMO.

I know quite a few people that listen to CDs or vinyl (not many that listen to both). I don't actually know a single person that buys them and doesn't listen to them irl (obviously I know there are collectors out there, and Taylor has many). To say that it's irrelevant what the song sounds like is just not true for alot of people! Physical media is a valid way of consuming music, and often a more immersive way too.

(Though this is definitely off topic 🤣)

Edited Thursday at 20:572 days by Juranamo

Buckle up Taylor fans it’s going to be a long couple of weeks 💀🤣