10 minutes ago, JosephStyles said:

Has Wicked actually increased her star power, though? She was already one of the biggest popstars on the planet so I don't see why it would impact on her music career, is there any precedent for this otherwise?

Gaga?

Just now, Scene said:

Gaga?

Ooh yes this one feels like a possible exception to the rule, though I suppose her chart success was dwindling before A Star Is Born happened whereas Ariana's wasn't before Wicked! Her subsequent films haven't had any impact on her chart career though.

Technically Taylor swift has only got bigger since her star making appearances in , The hannah Montana movie, the lorax and even Cats 🤭

I think we all collectively try and forget Cats: The Movie ever existed x

I think Gaga's transition from music to bigger acting gigs was actually super smooth as both Joanne and ASIB soundtrack were produced by Mark Ronson. The career arch was pretty clear there.

Wicked and Ariana's music don't really go together, and while the movies were popular, not sure if they had a positive impact or impact at all how people perceive Ariana as a popstar. The most popular Wicked song Defying Gravity was her 65th most streamed song on Spotify yesterday.

She still has a big fanbase but cannot see this Petal era being any bigger than Eternal Sunshine (that album went platinum so it was a success obvs)

Edited Sunday at 03:493 days by Sour Candy

Apple Music

#3 Sam/Olivia

#4 Chemical Brothers

#5 Ariana

Also seen that ‘Go’ has overtaken Ariana for #1 on iTunes.

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I don't there's any Ariana fatigue? She's opened with similar numbers to other releases.

I'd be pretty shocked if this doesn't fall pretty rapidly down Spotify in the coming weeks.

All these new releases and nowhere to be seen on streaming platforms apart from

Ariana of course. You would have expected at least one other to at least get into the top 200.

Tracks shown:

1. hate that i made you love me — Ariana Grande

2. More! More! More! — Becky Hill

3. Beg For Me (JADE Remix) — Lily Allen

4. Hostage (feat. 21 Savage) — Latto

5. Girl — Jonas Blue

6. Man of the House — Skye Newman

7. Only Love (feat. Pa Salieu) — Ezra Collective

8. Sad Girls — Bebe Rexha & David Guetta

9. Mazzaleen — Fredo & D-Block Europe

10. a milli (feat. Lil Wayne) — Lloyd featuring Lil Wayne (partially visible)

^^ and the majority are UK artists, just highlights the lack of streaming support the big players have for UK music and just back the global heavy hitters.

I’m not saying any of them would be huge hits but it’s shocking they are not showing up anywhere (and hence one of the reasons the charts are so stagnant).

24 minutes ago, ___∆___ said:

^^ and the majority are UK artists, just highlights the lack of streaming support the big players have for UK music and just back the global heavy hitters.

I’m not saying any of them would be huge hits but it’s shocking they are not showing up anywhere (and hence one of the reasons the charts are so stagnant).

All of this , if I wasnt on here half the time I would never know most of these British are even releasing going by the playlists on spotify etc

Like yes song take time to get exposure but the also need visibility too, but the big american artists are always instantly added high

14 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

All of this , if I wasnt on here half the time I would never know most of these British are even releasing going by the playlists on spotify etc

This part! So many times I didn’t realise someone was releasing and only discovered it via here.

HHUK is shocking most weeks (and apparently what most of the UK have on loop judging by the charts).

38 minutes ago, Benthetank said:

All these new releases and nowhere to be seen on streaming platforms apart from

Ariana of course. You would have expected at least one other to at least get into the top 200.

Tracks shown:

1. hate that i made you love me — Ariana Grande

2. More! More! More! — Becky Hill

3. Beg For Me (JADE Remix) — Lily Allen

4. Hostage (feat. 21 Savage) — Latto

5. Girl — Jonas Blue

6. Man of the House — Skye Newman

7. Only Love (feat. Pa Salieu) — Ezra Collective

8. Sad Girls — Bebe Rexha & David Guetta

9. Mazzaleen — Fredo & D-Block Europe

10. a milli (feat. Lil Wayne) — Lloyd featuring Lil Wayne (partially visible)

It's not just those, apparently also:

Basement Jaxx/Gorgon City

Bob Sinclar

Tiesto

Nathan Dawe

PNAU

Eliza Rose

Dasha

Ravyn Lenae

Dvbss ft. Nelly Furtado

Future ft. Tyla

Tyla, Ravyn Lenae, Dasha had big hits recently. Eliza Rose and PNAU even had #1s recently. People like Lily Allen, Basement Jaxx, Tiesto, Nelly Furtado, David Guetta, etc, are super famous in this country.

But it's no surprise. This happens every single week. Look through previous weeks from the past few years and you'll see a couple dozen famous artists releasing songs every week and (almost) none of them ever chart.

Most people just prefer to listen to songs they already know. In 2004 or whatever when the chart was basically ONLY recent releases I feel like most of these songs would've charted in the top 200.

It’s sad but Spotify doesn’t even give them a chance. HHUK needs to update regularly with new tracks in the higher top 5/10 mixed with older tracks. I know HHUk doesn’t have the same impact as it used to but even so give them some sort of chance at charting.

You can’t have a system where only global acts who have WW reach get the biggest playlist support because local artists miss out!

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We need a system for streaming like France have for their radio stations to support homegrown acts/locals (it was put in place to protect their language but also to ensure viability for new artists)

Minimum Percentage: At least 40% of all songs broadcast by private domestic radio stations between peak listening hours must be in the French language (or a regional language of France).

New Talent: Half of these French-language songs (roughly 20% of the total rotation) must be new productions or from up-and-coming artists.

13 minutes ago, ___∆___ said:

We need a system for streaming like France have for their radio stations to support homegrown acts/locals (it was put in place to protect their language but also to ensure viability for new artists)

Minimum Percentage: At least 40% of all songs broadcast by private domestic radio stations between peak listening hours must be in the French language (or a regional language of France).

New Talent: Half of these French-language songs (roughly 20% of the total rotation) must be new productions or from up-and-coming artists.

Radio 1 does this too. I think they have to play at least 50% British music. But they have a microscopic effect on the charts these days so it doesn't help in that respect.

As for streaming, what I'm pretty sure is happening is, because we're so outnumbered by Americans, it interprets all the local UK artists as basically "flops" or unpopular, and therefore not prioritised in the algorithm.

For example, if you play Poker Face and it goes on autoplay, for a British user it SHOULD know to include songs like The Fear, Bad Boys, Fight For This Love, etc. But instead it plays Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato (yeah, they ARE popular here, and should come up on autoplay every now and then, but still...).

As far as the Spotify algorithm knows, it just sees "Knock You Down by Keri Hilson has 400 million streams, Fight For This Love has 100 million, so I'll add Knock You Down to the autoplay queue as it's massively more popular".

So yeah a lot of the British artists that didn't crack the US have been massively screwed over and it's had a snowball effect as because the algorithm doesn't play them it hurts their streams even more and then it doesn't want to autoplay new releases by the same artist (which the algorithm thinks is either niche or a flop) and it gets worse and worse.

I'm just astonished that record labels with non-Internationally-famous UK artists haven't tried to solve this issue years ago. They've probably missed out on a lot of money.

Ariana is going on a highly anticipated tour and new song is on set list so it might help it stay up

15 minutes ago, Henessy Lake said:

Ariana is going on a highly anticipated tour and new song is on set list so it might help it stay up

It’s 10 weeks until the UK tour starts, personally can’t see it hanging around at the top end to benefit from it by then, would expect a tour boost across all her back catalogue though.

Isnt harry styles currently on tour (yes I know not uk dates yet) and his arnt exactly high on Spotify yet

So tours dont automatically mean huge streams

Edited Sunday at 12:013 days by 777666jason

24 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

Isnt harry styles currently on tour (yes I know not uk dates yet) and his arnt exactly high on Spotify yet

So tours dont automatically mean huge streams

Many of his songs had a boost from the tour beginning despite it not being in the UK yet

8 minutes ago, JosephStyles said:

Many of his songs had a boost from the tour beginning despite it not being in the UK yet

Fair enough I only counted 3 songs on the last Spotify top 200 update considering he had tour dates of 29 and 30th 👍

Edited Sunday at 12:453 days by 777666jason