Many acts seem to be expriencing 'flop' singles putting an end to their previously untouched run of Top 10/20 hit singles - With downloads taking off in a big way is this the end of acts scoring continuos Top 10 singles with each release? The same has been happening in America for years with acts scoring a #1 single only to see the follow up chart at #78....

 

Recent examples are:

 

Madonna - Miles Away #39

(Bringing an end a run of 65 continuous Top 20 singles)

 

Kylie - The One #36

(Ending a run of 16 Top 10 hits)

 

Oasis - I'm Outta Time #12

(Ending a run of 22 Top 10 hits)

 

McFly - Do Ya #18

(Ending a run of 15 Top 10 hits)

 

Will Young - Grace #33

(Ending a run of 11 Top 15 hits)

 

Pussycat Dolls - I Hate This Part #12

(Ending a run of 6 Top 10 hits)

 

Take That - I'd Wait For Life #17

(Ending their run of 14 Top 10 hits)

 

It also looks likely that the latest Boyzone single 'Better' will end their run of 17 Top 5 hits.

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by PopB!tch

Don't forget Oasis! :o

Don't forget Oasis! :o

 

Added - Didn't realise that their new single is the first to miss the Top 10 since 1994 :o

I'm outta time, if it doesn't climb has ended a 14-year run of 22 top 10 hits for Oasis.

Also, with the download era, this title can actually be ruined by an artist's own success. Girls Aloud have their run broken by St. Trinian's which charted on download as have Westlife from an album track similarly. Even Leona although recent, has had her run spoiled by album/B-side downloads and Double A-side issues. There's really no-one with a run left if Boyzone croak it this weekend... :(

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by spicefunk

It's all the downloading. Some tracks are further down the charts because people are busily downloading christmas songs, or x factor songs, or songs on adverts etc. That never happened when people went to a shop to buy a newly released CD. Even if you wanted to do that these days, they are so hard to find, except when there's a special single released, and shops make a point of stocking them. It's really not fair, IMO, and only current chart releases should be allowed to feature in the 'official' chart.

 

Some artists will be prejudiced by their fan base too. I'd guess the majority of downloaders are under 25 - and grew up with computers. Many artists have older fan-bases who are less likely to know how, or be inclined to download a track, and therefore they no longer stand a chance in hell of having another hit single.

 

I think they should do away with the singles charts altogether :o Just have an album chart - every week a run-down of top 40 albums which features different tracks from that album. That would be so much more interesting than the current top 40 show. Albums could still have their lead singles - or a selection of them, to release to radio. The public would then get a chance to hear a few tracks before actually buying the album for themselves. Artists could still make their videos to go with certain tracks etc.

 

I'm a Will fan, and whilst disappointed that Grace didn't chart higher, I fully understand the reasons for that. I'd be very worried if his album hadn't continued to sell off the back of that track though, but it has, so fine. There are artists around at the moment who have huge hit singles, but whose albums don't sell well at all. There's no money for record companies in that. Yet it's the singles charts that seem to attract so much of the kudos :cry: :unsure:

 

To do well in both charts is going to be the privilege of very few artists, those who are 'flavour of the month'. To do badly in both is a disaster, and there have been some big artist and band in that position too. :(

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by fatmuffin

Hmm, it depends what you consider a "single." If a complete single is one that is released physically and on download then Kylie, Girls Aloud, Madonna (?) and a few others haven't had their runs broken as it was never a full release.

It does seem now that only a few acts like Girls Aloud and Rihanna seem to be able to prodcue more than just 2/3 hits off an album.

Hmm, it depends what you consider a "single." If a complete single is one that is released physically and on download then Kylie, Girls Aloud, Madonna (?) and a few others haven't had their runs broken as it was never a full release.

Well, Madonna had a physical. But she didn't have a video i believe (too busy touring). Whereas Kylie had no physical and only had a video a week or two after the song's release when it was too late and radio had already dumped it. Girls Aloud had the video (and therefore the videoplay) but i'm not sure if it got much radio play as i don't think it was playlisted. It didn't have an official physical or digital single either, merely an album cherrypick. However, Rihanna's disturbia was in the same situation- no physical release or e-single, but had a video made to promote it and was downloaded in droves from the album as a cherrypick, as a result. Should this mean we don't count Rihanna's top10 with Disturbia as part of a run? I have a feeling most fans want to include these grey areas when they are a success like disturbia, but not when they're not like St Trinian's and The One :lol:

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by spicefunk

Some artists will be prejudiced by their fan base too. I'd guess the majority of downloaders are under 25 - and grew up with computers. Many artists have older fan-bases who are less likely to know how, or be inclined to download a track, and therefore they no longer stand a chance in hell of having another hit single.

No i think downloading is definately something that applies to most ages now. I reckon this hasn't applied for over 5 years.

I know ST. Trinian's (something) by Girls Aloud is not Top 10 but does it count as it's not a single?

I know ST. Trinian's (something) by Girls Aloud is not Top 10 but does it count as it's not a single?

Well it charted on the singles chart, so by definition yes, but really that is the $64,000 question and applies similarly to other artists. See my previous post for more! :lol:

I think if you've released a physical and/or a video to promote it then it counts as a single. Album tracks and b-sides sneaking in because of the popularity of the A-side or the album in the week of release should be discarded from consideration. I think that's a very clear rule then when establishing these continuous runs.

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by 6weeksatnumber7

I think if you've released a physical and/or a video to promote it then it counts as a single. Album tracks and b-sides sneaking in because of the popularity of the A-side or the album in the week of release should be discarded from consideration. I think that's a very clear rule then when establishing these continuous runs.

I agree re: album/B-side tracks, and the whole situation with double-A sides. By this logic, Leona has a protected run of 5, but GA, Kylie (both had a video) and Madonna (had a physical) have their runs broken

No i think downloading is definately something that applies to most ages now. I reckon this hasn't applied for over 5 years.

 

 

I disagree. Look at the sort of stuff that gets in the top ten at the moment! Can you imagine a 30 year old downloading I Kissed a Girl, or that washing up song?

 

Why did Cliff have to rely so heavily of marketing of a physical CD. The singles chart is dominated by the under 25s choices. The albums chart is much more an 'all age' chart. I don't think most over 25s are remotely interested in single songs, they prefer a 'proper' album. I use the 25 years as the dividing point, but I mean 'mental age' LOL.

I agree re: album/B-side tracks, and the whole situation with double-A sides. By this logic, Leona has a protected run of 5, but GA, Kylie (both had a video) and Madonna (had a physical) have their runs broken

 

Girls Aloud had a video because it was used to promote the FILM! and people were cherry picking it off of the St Trinians soundtrack, (Thus resulting it to chart) so I think they're in the same boat as Leona TBF! -_-

I disagree. Look at the sort of stuff that gets in the top ten at the moment! Can you imagine a 30 year old downloading I Kissed a Girl, or that washing up song?

 

Why did Cliff have to rely so heavily of marketing of a physical CD. The singles chart is dominated by the under 25s choices. The albums chart is much more an 'all age' chart. I don't think most over 25s are remotely interested in single songs, they prefer a 'proper' album. I use the 25 years as the dividing point, but I mean 'mental age' LOL.

I think the prevalence of d/l is clearly higher among the young. I mean, Oasis as recent example. They are an established band, been going 15+ years, so most of their fanbase are now in their 30s, or certainly over that 25 line (its the line the XF uses, so why not :lol:). They are physical no1 last week, yet had little download presence, as shown by their lack of presence on the itunes store.

 

Sadly, physicals are less and less supported by retailers and record companies now, and therefore purchased less by consumers, so a physical no1 cannot even guarantee a top10 any longer. Oasis and Madonna should have released 2 CDs as usual, but this has all but ceased in the last 3-4 months (has anyone else noticed?) even for the huge physical sellers (apparently record company policy now). This could have carried Oasis just into top10 as i think most of their fans are hardcore and would automatically buy both. Only recent 2CD release i've noticed was Christian Falk feat. Robyn- there was a 2-track for about £1.99 and a maxi remix CD with about 6 tracks for about £2.99. Anyone spot any others?

Ps- love you calling Alesha "that washing up song"! She is prob over 25 herself! :lol:

If you look at artists who were big in the 70s and 80s their chart runs are often all over the place, times are just heading back that way where being a big name with a successful chart performance doesn't automatically guarantee you a Top 10 single like it did 5-10 years ago.

Girls Aloud had a video because it was used to promote the FILM! and people were cherry picking it off of the St Trinians soundtrack, (Thus resulting it to chart) so I think they're in the same boat as Leona TBF! -_-

They had a video which was released and promoted the song (was played on music channels, not just ads for the film). By six weeks logic, it counts. Splitting hairs much Jon? :lol: Every song would have an excuse of some kind...

They had a video which was released and promoted the song (was played on music channels, not just ads for the film). By six weeks logic, it counts. Splitting hairs much Jon? :lol: Every song would have an excuse of some kind...

 

We've already debated this a lot, for some people it does count, for others it doesnt.

 

The most important is that the medias are on the "it doesnt count" side and are still talking of a "run of 19 consecutive top10 hits" ^_^

Not many people know about ST, and the label got the song off itunes after only 3 weeks or so, while it was on its way up :)

 

And the "Every song would have an excuse of some kind" bit is so stupid and totally untrue. There's a debate because it's a very peculiar song from a soundtrack, the girls didn't promote or perform it (never), and it wasn't sent to radios aswell, it's just the video that was released somehow.

If The Loving Kind misses the top10, noone will deny it breaks their run ...

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by Xmas_Bert

Has the OCC made any comment on this? We really need official confirmation as to whether a downloaded album track counts. But then, if we had the whole top 200 every week, we would probably see more and more download album only tracks. But their not counted as we don't know them. So what should the case be? Only those that enter the top 40? As that is what is given to us by Radio 1 who delivers the official rundown and also the Virgin Hit Singles book covers only the top 40 i believe. Though does list those that enter 41-75 i think, i don't have the book so don't know for sure.