Of course Jealousy is a singer/songwriter song. Will wrote it and sings it!

 

Maybe the over saturation by the females is coming to an end, which in my view would be refreshing!

 

I did say 'not in the same sense as Damien, Ed and James'. I know Jealousy is technically a singer/songwriter song but I don't know, it just feels sort of wrong to call it one. Like Eric says I think the term usually refers to acoustic songs. I agree that Will himself is a singer/songwriter but I wouldn't describe all his songs as that if you get what I mean. Maybe that's just me though :lol:

I know this is Wikipedia, but I just checked some articles:

 

Will Young

William Robert "Will" Young (born 20 January 1979) is a British singer-songwriter and actor.

 

Jason Derulo

Jason Joel Desrouleaux[3](born September 21, 1989), better known by his stage name Jason Derülo, is an American singer-songwriter, actor and dancer.

 

Dappy

Costadinos Contostavlos[1](born 11 June 1987) better known by his stage name of Dappy, is a British singer-songwriter, rapper, actor of Greek descent.

 

Olly Murs

Oliver Stanley "Olly" Murs show[1](born 14 May 1984 in Essex, England)[2] is an English singer-songwriter and TV presenter.

 

Bruno Mars

Peter Gene Hernandez (born October 8, 1985), better known by his stage name Bruno Mars, is an American singer-songwriter and record producer.

 

Adam Levine

Adam Noah Levine (born March 18, 1979) is an American singer-songwriter and musician, best known as the front man and guitarist for the pop rock band Maroon 5.

 

Including James Morrison and Ed Sheeran, that's 8 male singer-songwriters in out current top 10 on iTunes!! And both of Bad Meets Evil and both of Rizzle Kicks are male "rapper-songwriters". :lol:

 

I did say 'not in the same sense as Damien, Ed and James'. I know Jealousy is technically a singer/songwriter song but I don't know, it just feels sort of wrong to call it one. Like Eric says I think the term usually refers to acoustic songs. I agree that Will himself is a singer/songwriter but I wouldn't describe all his songs as that if you get what I mean. Maybe that's just me though :lol:

 

Me aswell. I guess it's the stereotypical singer-songwriter really. Some middle-class white dude that plays a guitar and goes touring all the time. :lol: So that's probably what people mean when they talk about them. Although I guess the terms stretches out much further than that.

Edited September 23, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

I know this is Wikipedia, but I just checked some articles:

 

Will Young

Jason Derulo

Dappy

Olly Murs

Bruno Mars

Adam Levine

Including James Morrison and Ed Sheeran, that's 8 male singer-songwriters in out current top 10 on iTunes!!

 

Again I'd agree that those people are singer/songwriters by profession but I'd only call Cannonball, The A Team and I Won't Let You Go singer/songwriter songs.

 

Actually I'm not sure about Dappy, since when is he a singer?

Edited September 23, 201114 yr by Bré

I know this is Wikipedia, but I just checked some articles:

 

Will Young

Jason Derulo

Dappy

Olly Murs

Bruno Mars

Adam Levine

Including James Morrison and Ed Sheeran, that's 8 male singer-songwriters in out current top 10 on iTunes!!

 

I'm thinking you have to be able to sing to be a singer'songwriter. Counts some of these out :)

I'm thinking you have to be able to sing to be a singer'songwriter. Counts some of these out :)

 

They can all sing. :lol: Well, Olly Murs, Will Young, Bruno Mars and Dappy definitely can. Not sure about the others though. I've heard Jason Derulo isn't very good live, but I've heard people say Adele is bad live, so I don't know. :lol:

 

Again I'd agree that those people are singer/songwriters by profession but I'd only call Cannonball, The A Team and I Won't Let You Go singer/songwriter songs.

 

Actually I'm not sure about Dappy, since when is he a singer?

 

Dappy sings lots of songs! He sings the chorus of No Regrets. Frankly, he's a better singer than Katy Perry, Rihanna and Britney Spears.

 

Edited September 23, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Adam Levine can't sing, unless 'drowning cat' counts as singing. :D

 

(But seriously, he can sing, his voice just annoys me)

Adam Levine can't sing, unless 'drowning cat' counts as singing. :D

 

(But seriously, he can sing, his voice just annoys me)

 

It is a little higher than you'd expect for a male singer. I like his voice but I can see why people would hate it.

 

And Bre is right here I think. All the examples are singer/song-writers but over the years, the term 'singer/songwriter' has been used to describe songs that fit a certain genre. I can understand why he finds calling Jealousy 'singer/songwriter' strange because it doesn't fit the usual mode unlike the James Morrison/Ed Sheeran/Damien Rice tracks in the top 10. Although Will's previous work has been very singer/songwriter in that sense.

I think the term 'singer/songwriter' has two different meanings depending on whether you're referring to a person or a song/album.

They can all sing. :lol: Well, Olly Murs, Will Young, Bruno Mars and Dappy definitely can. Not sure about the others though. I've heard Jason Derulo isn't very good live, but I've heard people say Adele is bad live, so I don't know. :lol:

 

Dappy sings lots of songs! He sings the chorus of No Regrets. Frankly, he's a better singer than Katy Perry, Rihanna and Britney Spears.

 

 

You think Olly Murs can sing? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one :) I guess he can sing as well as anyone who gets up and has a go at karaoke so he can sing, but how well is the question :) I never really thought of Dappy as a singer. I've also heard Jason Derulo is terrible live but unlike Olly I havent had the pleasure :)

You think Olly Murs can sing? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one :) I guess he can sing as well as anyone who gets up and has a go at karaoke so he can sing, but how well is the question :) I never really thought of Dappy as a singer. I've also heard Jason Derulo is terrible live but unlike Olly I havent had the pleasure :)

 

I'm basing Olly off what I saw from him on X Factor. I thought he was a good singer, although not as good as some of the other contestents.

I'm basing Olly off what I saw from him on X Factor. I thought he was a good singer, although not as good as some of the other contestents.

 

 

OK cool. They were very clever with him on XF actually always giving him big productions and a a zillion dancers to take away from his limitations. Even now his act is not about singing really, it all based on his cheeky chappy essex boy image and certain girls fancying him. His version of the winners sing was terrible and even Simon looked embarrassed. Twice he sang "ballads" it was quite frankly awful. Definitely more image than singer.

 

On a positive note, always loved Will Youngs voice :) Glad Echoes is doing well for him.

I never understood at the time how someone as dull and uninteresting as Olly Murs made it all the way to the top 2 on the X Factor, I thought he was the token dull act that inexplicably lasts about 6 rounds before finally being voted out. However, his musical output thus far has been very strong IMO (aside from Heart On My Sleeve).

I never understood at the time how someone as dull and uninteresting as Olly Murs made it all the way to the top 2 on the X Factor, I thought he was the token dull act that inexplicably lasts about 6 rounds before finally being voted out. However, his musical output thus far has been very strong IMO (aside from Heart On My Sleeve).

 

Well I wouldn't disagree with most of that I am quite frankly bemused by his success. This latest song is passable but the first few releases were very forgettable. And to think he had less votes than Jedward week 6 when the judges saved him (so u were right about 6 weeks)! He may be successful now but I don't think he has enough to sustain it beyond another couple of years. Only my opinion of course just based on all the songs sounding so similar and people may tire of it.

Hi new to this forum, some interesting comments re Joe and thanks for all the info guys much appreciated. To be honest even his fans are slightly surprised he has turned things around so quickly, however I felt it was just a matter of the right promotion and getting him seen. The whole point was he didnt get all the XF hype that all went to Olly Murs. Joe was given barely any airplay or promotion. It was obvious to me Simon Cowell never wanted him to win as he wasnt the fly by night pop artist he wanted to promote & proved it by barely bothering. Good luck to Joe. Simon's looking pretty stupid now. Hope he stays top 5 this week.

 

Hardly, if they only had the time and money to invest in one of the finalists they've picked the right one because Olly is still doing rather well. His second album will almost certainly match "Classic"'s sales, and he's selling singles on top of that.

I do not like him but he was at least better than Joe :lol: (it was a bad year for XF totally)

 

To be fair his songs are better than the average XF release anyway and he is doing very good (exeeded my expectations at least) saleswise. I believe it may have more to do with his genre rather than him being a great singer... Having said that I am not sure what his target group really is. This means a) he doesn't have a strong loyal fanbase but b) he could generally appeal to more people without nessecarily brainwashing them.

 

"He may be successful now but I don't think he has enough to sustain it beyond another couple of years. Only my opinion of course just based on all the songs sounding so similar and people may tire of it."

 

;) Assuming the rest of the XF bunch will?

 

EDIT: why do people keep mentioning Joe's classics as a success? If it does a 300K total will you still consider it a success?

Edited September 23, 201114 yr by 7heDreamer

EDIT: why do people keep mentioning Joe's classics as a success? If it does a 300K total will you still consider it a success?

 

Because it's already outsold his début when people expected it to be a one-week-in-the-top-ten wonder? It probably will sell 300k in the end and that's a huge success for someone like Joe who everybody thought had no commercial potential.

Hardly, if they only had the time and money to invest in one of the finalists they've picked the right one because Olly is still doing rather well. His second album will almost certainly match "Classic"'s sales, and he's selling singles on top of that.

 

Simon looking stupid has nothing to do with any comparison with Joe & Ollys sales there a million reasons why that happened the point I was making was Universal have found a way to market Joe whereas Simon Cowell and Syco couldn't. So whether Olly sells or not he could have sold Joe too. Its obvious that they decide who they want to market long before the public decide on "their winner" Look at last year and the amount they have invested in Cher and 1D. Simon is interested in making quick money and dosen't give a hoot about any of his artists including Olly. Olly is doing well but considering he has the biggest audience on tv every week sell himself its hardly surprsing that a small percentage of that huge audience will like him.

 

Lets see in 10 years who still has a career. I know who my money would be on. Joe can survive without the charts. Olly can't and won't.

I have to say I find it a bit sad that Joe stans are soooooooo obsessed with Simon Cowell. I swear I can't remember the last time I read a post from a Joe fan that didn't say "Simon/Syco must look pretty stupid now!". Move on.

Because it's already outsold his début when people expected it to be a one-week-in-the-top-ten wonder? It probably will sell 300k in the end and that's a huge success for someone like Joe who everybody thought had no commercial potential.

 

Just to be proven right!

 

Isn't he still the 'living shame' of XF? :lol: He must be the winner with the least sucessful 1st era.

 

 

Universal are not the brilliant and benevalent record company some Joe fans think it is.

 

What they have done is capitalised on his opera programme by rushing out an album of overdone safe covers. It was hardly a risk! It must have only cost a few thousand to record! Joe has a good voice, and had a high profile as winner of that show, and happens to be a lovely young man.

 

However what Universal have also done is ruin his chances of ever having a chance at being a pop star, which he himself has said is what he really wanted. They have rebranded him as a young Michael Ball type singer. I don't think he will recover from it and emerge as a creative artist. He may make a few more bucks selling similar type of albums at Mother's Day etc, but I worry this won't make him particularly fulfilled.

 

At least Syco allowed Joe to put out an album which was a bit risky, and had some original songs, and actually, it was quite good. It's a shame they didn't persevere and nurture his pop music, rather than drop him like a brick. However, Universal are just as exploitative, if not more so, as what they have done will probably proove even more destructive to Joe in the long term.

 

It's a shame Joe didn't do a Leon, and go off and make music he wants to make. OK, the fame and fortune would take a back seat, but maybe he would be happier in the long term.

Edited September 23, 201114 yr by fatmuffin