iTunes must know how many people have bought the song using each method. After all, how else are they going to send the right people the rest of the album?

 

Exactly. Of course they must know.

That's why the sales connected to pre-ordering the album don't count. People are effectivle buying the al bum, paying in two instalments and receivi ng it in two parts.

 

iTunes must know how many people have bought the song using each method. After all, how else are they going to send the right people the rest of the album?

 

They don't send you the album when it's released, you have to use the "Complete My Album" option and pay for the rest of it. That's why they can't distinguish between individual buys of the track, and downloads of the track from pre-orders, cause it's actually the same operation.

Oh they should just create a rule where you can only download an entire album and not individual tracks. Or was that the case before hand?

 

Regardless I am so confused. :drama:

Oh they should just create a rule where you can only download an entire album and not individual tracks. Or was that the case before hand?

 

Regardless I am so confused. :drama:

It's quite simple. There are 2 ways to get the song:

 

1) pre order the album (not the same as complete my album) where you pay for the album (£8.99) and the track downloads immediately (this is NOT chart eligible).

2) Pay 99p for the single track. This IS chart eligible.

 

If you wish to "complete my album" you go back at a later date (once it's released) and then the other album tracks will download and 99p will be taken off the price you pay for the album, this would count as an album sale :D .

It's quite simple. There are 2 ways to get the song:

 

1) pre order the album (not the same as complete my album) where you pay for the album (£8.99) and the track downloads immediately (this is NOT chart eligible).

2) Pay 99p for the single track. This IS chart eligible.

 

If you wish to "complete my album" you go back at a later date (once it's released) and then the other album tracks will download and 99p will be taken off the price you pay for the album, this would count as an album sale :D .

 

But it you "complete my album" what happens to that single sale? Is it deducted or something? Thanks for the explanation :D

But it you "complete my album" what happens to that single sale? Is it deducted or something? Thanks for the explanation :D

 

Yeah, it's deducted. In America recently, Taylor Swift's WANEGBT registered minus sales the week the album was released because so many people used complete my album. It was like -120k, and it was still selling on iTunes too!

Yeah, it's deducted. In America recently, Taylor Swift's WANEGBT registered minus sales the week the album was released because so many people used complete my album. It was like -120k, and it was still selling on iTunes too!

That's certainly the case for official American sales, but weren't people discussing how we don't think the OCC does that?

 

If they did, songs like "Troublemaker", "Live While We're Young," "Diamonds" etc would see at least noticeable declines on album release week, all those artists must have huge iTunes sales for their album.

Yeah, it's deducted. In America recently, Taylor Swift's WANEGBT registered minus sales the week the album was released because so many people used complete my album. It was like -120k, and it was still selling on iTunes too!

I don't think the OCC deduct the sale in the UK.

But it you "complete my album" what happens to that single sale? Is it deducted or something? Thanks for the explanation :D

Well this is debateable. In my opinion no it isn't deducted. Pre downloads for example you could buy the singles and the album seperately the only difference now is that i-tunes can identify if you are someone who has done that. That's just my opinion though I don't know for sure.

Yeah, it's deducted. In America recently, Taylor Swift's WANEGBT registered minus sales the week the album was released because so many people used complete my album. It was like -120k, and it was still selling on iTunes too!

 

Yeah, also Boyfriend by Justin Bieber had a massive drop on the digital chart the week the album was released for the same reason (although he didn't quite go into negative sales! :lol:).

 

We don't really see it have much of an effect in the UK like this though, most singles get a boost instead lol.

If you pay 99p for a song off an album, then go on to buy the album, say for £8 instead of £8.99, then why should the sale of the single be deducted? You would have paid the same for the album as a whole as you would for the single + complete my album?!

me too :kink:

 

now I can breath easy and celebrate Will.I.Am's no.1 :D

 

Sorted :rolleyes:

 

I know its been mentioned so many times but this is a Will.I.Am solo track featuring Britney Spears. Exactly the same as when Maroon 5 released Moves Like Jagger featuring Xtina and when Taio Cruz released Higher featuring Kylie.

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I'm sure all will become clear by Sunday, but in my opinion the Bowie track should track ineligible for the UK chart until the album is made available. Surely the very easy thing to do would just be for the record label to just release the track as a single?

 

Yet to hear it, but if the likes of Coldplay, The Rolling Stones and Madonna all had to suffer from ineligibility; why should Bowie get a different treatment?

Sorted :rolleyes:

 

I know its been mentioned so many times but this is a Will.I.Am solo track featuring Britney Spears. Exactly the same as when Maroon 5 released Moves Like Jagger featuring Xtina and when Taio Cruz released Higher featuring Kylie.

 

well I don't know is it exactly same as those two songs since on official single cover is:

 

 

& not Featuring

 

http://www.formulatv.com/fotos/a/13000/13354/1urk1j92bf8uf8p7yf50c11818625f1_william-ft-britney-spears---scream-and-shout_p.jpg

 

and this is Britney's no.1 too, not only will.i.am's. so i'm continuing to celebrate! :w00t:

 

 

There are a few things that has surprised me with David Bowie's success - I know its been 10 years since his last studio album but his core fanbase is traditionally physical format buyers so the fact that they have embraced a digital pre-order really makes me think that there is going to be a huge spike in digital album sales this year and also his most recent studio albums have hardly set the charts alight - Reality [2003 - #3 - 4 weeks], Heathen [2002 - #5 - 18 weeks], Hours [1999 - #5 - 3 weeks].

 

Also it looks likely that his new album will be #1 something he has not achieved with his last 15 studio and greatest hits albums, He last hit the top spot in 1993 with 'Black Tie, White Noise'

I just think 'Where Are We Now?' has struck a major (no pun intended) chord with the majority of people who have heard it. I personally think there's a strong fragile and emotional aspect to the song. I'm drawn into the song each time I listen, especially during the "as long as there's sun..." section. On the flip side, the teenyboppers will say it's boring cos it dont sound gud in a club, innit. :P

If you pay 99p for a song off an album, then go on to buy the album, say for £8 instead of £8.99, then why should the sale of the single be deducted? You would have paid the same for the album as a whole as you would for the single + complete my album?!

 

That's the reason why it is deducted. Some people will just buy the whole album for £8.99, while others might buy a song then complete the album for a total of £8.99 as well. Both ways you pay the same price and get the same exact songs, but if you just buy the album it will just count as 1 album sale, so why the other way should it count as 1 album sale AND 1 single sale when the end product is exactly the same? That's basically the reasoning, but it does make it a bit confusing. Hate the minus thing they do in the US.

It was just fun chill

:D

Also it looks likely that his new album will be #1 something he has not achieved with his last 15 studio and greatest hits albums, He last hit the top spot in 1993 with 'Black Tie, White Noise'

 

15 albums in 18 years? And people complain when Rihanna and JLS churn out album after album :wacko:

Yet to hear it, but if the likes of Coldplay, The Rolling Stones and Madonna all had to suffer from ineligibility; why should Bowie get a different treatment?

 

This has already been discussed - the three artists you've mentioned did not make anywhere near the impact David Bowie has made on Itunes. Fair enough, Paradise sold quite a lot in the time when it wasn't eligible - but it was never top 10 on Itunes and therefore, not too bad an omission, same for the other two. Disqualifying Bowie from the chart entirely when its potentially selling enough to make number 1 is veering towards the territory of making the charts not reflective of what the public is buying.