February 13, 201312 yr Ugh. I don't know why I bother most the time! Shame on you all. SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. :snif:
February 13, 201312 yr Indeed. I hasten to think how some of you would react to having my DNQ record... I think I must have one of the worst records, I've done this for nearly two years and before October had only qualified twice. I nearly equaled Mikey's record of most DNQ'S in a row, but Swedish Angels somehow managed to qualify. Although things seem to be changing as I have qualified 3 contests in a row :cheer:.
February 13, 201312 yr Just for the record now that I've gone and checked the figures: If we were going to be exceedingly strict and get rid of the borderline songs and then the ones that would suffer from the knock on effect we'd only be left with the Low Risk list. After the initial 34 confirmations that would have left us with 17 songs veto free. A 50% casualty rate. We may have kept a handful of the Medium risk list but that would still put us over 40%. I'd be willing to bet the combined GDP of the EU and the rest of the G20 on the fall out from that amount of vetoes making the NF argument look like a bit of drizzle in the preverbal tea cup. Noah's ark wouldn't have survived this apocalyptic storm.
February 13, 201312 yr So what do we do with this collection of borderline songs? If you let them through you have a selection of frontrunners which have an advantage from the off and not only that, they're easy to pick out prior to the contest so people will find them without that much effort - and will enter them. If you veto them, there will be said fallout and I'm willing to bet that wouldn't be good for the contest either. Neither side can win. Being optimistic, I think the Christmas break just generated a lot of the borderlines and they all got entered at the same time, I don't think following months will be like this. We've always had a couple of these songs in contests before - but not enough to be a noticeable large minority (or even a majority) of entries.
February 13, 201312 yr I qualified with a song I'm pretty sure almost no one in the contest has heard before? It is possible, maybe they just have 2 appeal and be actually good songs? Familiarity/hype obviously plays a role but then you have stuf like Sky Ferreira DNQ (shame on u all, still!) - so idk! * shrug *
February 13, 201312 yr So what do we do with this collection of borderline songs? If you let them through you have a selection of frontrunners which have an advantage from the off and not only that, they're easy to pick out prior to the contest so people will find them without that much effort - and will enter them. If you veto them, there will be said fallout and I'm willing to bet that wouldn't be good for the contest either. Neither side can win. Being optimistic, I think the Christmas break just generated a lot of the borderlines and they all got entered at the same time, I don't think following months will be like this. We've always had a couple of these songs in contests before - but not enough to be a noticeable large minority (or even a majority) of entries. This is our ongoing dilemma. We're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't. Which is why I love TBO and like to make it last as long as possible, it's our one rest a year from making that very hard choice. I've found that the first contest back after Christmas has always produced the most diverse and inspired contests with the long break allowing for the hunting and discovery of incredible new music. Usually anyway.
February 13, 201312 yr 12 xx 10 D'yermak'er: Miguel – Adorn 08 xx 07 Usfland: Zola Jesus – Vessel 06 xx 05 xx 04 PRoJ: Beach House – Wild 03 xx 02 xx 01 Tinnmark: The Deer Tracks - Lazarus Excuse me, why did SO MUCH SHIT qualify?
February 13, 201312 yr Final. :wub::wub: DNQ votes from semi 1: 12 Alteria 08 Utopia 02 Ingermanlandia And who I would habe voted for in Semi 2: 10 Usfland 07 Caerfyrddia 06 PRoJ 05 Palmyra 02 Launica 01 Tinnmark
February 13, 201312 yr I appreciate that it can be a difficult job, but if you're going to go as strict as you considering being with vetoes, then it's not really fair for them to be affected by your own results. I sent my votes by notepad so I can't actually REMEMBER how they went. Something like: 10 Ducktails 1-6 Mike Delinquent Project 1-6 Pay TV - Trendy Discothèque 1-6 Gold Fields - Dark Again And I might have given a point or two to Umiirika. Below my excellent top 5 there were a good few songs that were pretty interchangeable, which is why I'm so unsure. Oh and feel free to name and shame every one of the suspected voting pacts! I have an Excel document which has every country I've voted for divided by the number of opportunities to vote for them, and I've found that I'm averaging 4+ points for many countries, including 6.8 for the five in which I've been able to vote for Aeroche (only gonna go up since he's sent one of my favourite songs of the past two months OH FUCK). I could divide the total points a country scored in a single contest by the number of voters and then total all entries I've been able to vote for said country. This would give the expected number of points to have sent to a country and divided once again by the number of points they've actually given would THEN give a nice 'bias score': if it's >1 then they've given more points than expected and if it's <1 they've given less than expected, without taking into account of countries having similar taste or whatever. But I don't have time for that. Edited February 13, 201312 yr by Harve
February 13, 201312 yr Caerfyrddia just had a very unlucky 'wrong semi' effect. I'd have easily given it 12 and it looks as if high points would have come from Dandy*, Zechh and Leww too, it would have possibly qualified from just those points alone but obviously would have got more besides. It's a beautiful song, I'm at a partial loss as to how it failed but I guess it's not quite as 'catchy' as past atmospheric piano ballads so maybe that's it?
February 13, 201312 yr Is ANYONE happy with the results from semi 2? Every post about them I've seen in here is 'ALL THE GOOD SONGS FAILED AND NOTHING GOOD QUALIFIED'. Doesn't seem to statistically add up. Could hardly be more pleased with the results from semi 1 anyhow, all of my top 7 and 8 out of my top 10 qualified.
February 13, 201312 yr TURNS OUT - that Ojnoj was the ONLY song that DNQ'd, that I voted for. I gave 'Step' four points - so from my perspective, AMAZING qualifiers. <333 Delighted that songs like 'Gold' and 'Chronicles Of A Fallen Love' got through, didn't think they would :wub:
February 13, 201312 yr Ugh, ONE POINT off qualifying?! :( And Step (ie the best song in the whole thing) didn't make it? At least most of the songs I have points to went through, just Umiiruka that didn't I think.
February 13, 201312 yr I sent my votes by notepad so I can't actually REMEMBER how they went. Something like: 10 Ducktails 1-6 Mike Delinquent Project 1-6 Pay TV - Trendy Discothèque 1-6 Gold Fields - Dark Again And I might have given a point or two to Umiirika. Below my excellent top 5 there were a good few songs that were pretty interchangeable, which is why I'm so unsure. Thank You :wub:
February 13, 201312 yr I appreciate that it can be a difficult job, but if you're going to go as strict as you considering being with vetoes, then it's not really fair for them to be affected by your own results. Oh and feel free to name and shame every one of the suspected voting pacts! I don't think anyone has said anything about actually considering to go that strict with the vetoes. We're just presenting what the scenario would be if we were that strict. Obviously it wouldn't be a pleasant one so we're highly unlikely to do it. To be honest, I haven't been looking too closely at voting trends. I just said that I had to try and persuade any that might exist to stop. That said, I have questioned the patterns of a handful of nations, but until I find time to go through everybody's votes (Which will be never, I barely have enough time to post in here let alone put a microscope over every single point that's being dished out between 50+ countries.), then no names will be mentioned, as these patterns I have picked up on might be the same across the board. Like I said, I thought I'd mention it anyway to try and put a stop to any that might exist. Caerfyrddia just had a very unlucky 'wrong semi' effect. I'd have easily given it 12 and it looks as if high points would have come from Dandy*, Zechh and Leww too, it would have possibly qualified from just those points alone but obviously would have got more besides. It's a beautiful song, I'm at a partial loss as to how it failed but I guess it's not quite as 'catchy' as past atmospheric piano ballads so maybe that's it? The wrong semi effect has been the bane of my life in this contest :drama: Yeah, The Deserters isn't that catchy, but with such wonderful instrumentation I wouldn't have thought how catchy it is would have come into it. But then, this forum's definition of a good song (apparently, it's Georgia) eludes me and has done for the best part of a year.
February 13, 201312 yr I think, for the first time ever, every song I gave points to has qualified. :o
February 13, 201312 yr It just hit me that 'Boy is a Bottom' was like what 9 (8 if I got more 12's than Shivaree and whoever came 15th) points away from qualification?! LMAO :lol:
February 13, 201312 yr Anyway, as I'm still reeling from the after effects that Kara did not get through (you're all a bunch of dicks :cry:) here are my DNQ's... 12 Points: xxx 10 Points: xxx 08 Points: xxx 07 Points: Elëdan: William; Detox; Vicky Vox | 'Boy Is A Bottom' 06 Points: xxx 05 Points: xxx 04 Points: Usfland: Zola Jesus | 'Vessel' 03 Points: xxx 02 Points: xxx 01 Point: xxx 'Boy Is A Bottom' has grated on me since though, so would have got less (or none depending on the Semi 1 quality of qualified songs) points in the final, sorry Pav :( But a good enough qualified set from Semi 2 and I do realise it was a tough semi. Although I really, really don't understand the hype for that Irrepressibles song. :\ (Which probably means it'll win :lol: - If it managed to get through Semi 2 where it was a heavy, pop semi and all it's big voters were in semi 1, I think it'll win.)
February 13, 201312 yr The brilliant thing about music is how subjective it is to each person. There are tracks I instantly adored in SF2 that others didn't vote for - finding them boring, or just didn't click with them. Then the same applies where I can't stand a particular song (because it's crap!!! :P ) but enough others like it to send it through to the final. It's really just the luck of the draw. Yes, it does grate when you enter a track you genuinely think is brilliant only for your entry to DNQ. At least in UP, you automatically make the final (pls never have semi finals in UP :( )
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