October 23, 201312 yr I guess the OCC won't be changing their mind and Gaga will be missing out on a top 10 hit because of this stupid rule <_< It wouldn't be right to change it mid-week anyway.
October 23, 201312 yr It wouldn't be right to change it mid-week anyway. How wouldn't it? They did for David Bowie... :unsure:
October 23, 201312 yr How wouldn't it? They did for David Bowie... :unsure: Exactly! I hope Gaga's label responds by releasing a single version and stopping the stupid promo! If she ends up performing on it on XF this Sunday, she could end up missing out on loads of sales/weeks!
October 23, 201312 yr Surely if it's now the next single, then Gaga's record company or whoever is responsible will stop the "instant grab". Especially if she's due to perform it on X Factor this Sunday so I would presume they would want this to have chart success.
October 23, 201312 yr a single track download given away as an album pre-order incentive It isn't given away though. I got charged for Katy's "Dark Horse" and "Walking On Air". Pre-ordering just means it downloads and charges you automatically. :lol:
October 23, 201312 yr Sales won't be "missed" It happened to Coldplay didn't it? Their overall sales started counting towards YTD charts/released as part of the official total once it became chart eligible?
October 23, 201312 yr That rule is unfair... You don't get a song from free. You're charged NOW for that song you get automatically and then you're charged for the rest of the album when it's released... It's a paid download that should be counted. It DOES make sense not to count it though. If it were featured in both charts it would be unfair because in the end you don't pay the price of ONE ALBUM and ONE TRACK, you only pay the price of ONE ALBUM - therefore it counts for the ALBUM chart and that's it. She could release it seperately from the album, without the "complete the album" option, and it would logically count, because people would pay for the TRACK and later they would pay for the whole ALBUM, just like any pre-album single. You can't expect to impact both charts when you only pay the price of one album - it would be unfair to other acts.
October 23, 201312 yr It happened to Coldplay didn't it? Their overall sales started counting towards YTD charts/released as part of the official total once it became chart eligible? Not sure what the situation is with this. In the past, MusicWeek have always given the proper total and the total following its chart eligibility at the same time. I think many are waiting to see if the OCC confirm it as a million seller when it passes when including the 100k+ it sold when chart ineligible.
October 23, 201312 yr It DOES make sense not to count it though. If it were featured in both charts it would be unfair because in the end you don't pay the price of ONE ALBUM and ONE TRACK, you only pay the price of ONE ALBUM - therefore it counts for the ALBUM chart and that's it. When the album is release it's like "Complete my album" though. You get charged less for the album and surely sales are taken away from the promotional singles like with most "complete my album" features. So there's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to chart imo.
October 23, 201312 yr It DOES make sense not to count it though. If it were featured in both charts it would be unfair because in the end you don't pay the price of ONE ALBUM and ONE TRACK, you only pay the price of ONE ALBUM - therefore it counts for the ALBUM chart and that's it. She could release it seperately from the album, without the "complete the album" option, and it would logically count, because people would pay for the TRACK and later they would pay for the whole ALBUM, just like any pre-album single. You can't expect to impact both charts when you only pay the price of one album - it would be unfair to other acts. There's still people's sales who have bought the song without pre-ordering (*cough cough*) whose sales aren't getting counted though!
October 23, 201312 yr There's still people's sales who have bought the song without pre-ordering (*cough cough*) whose sales aren't getting counted though!This is the thing that's bugging me the most. Surely it's not hard to differentiate those sales from the ones where people pre-order the album? :unsure:
October 23, 201312 yr Tell Apple that, It's them who allegedly can't differentiate the sales. I agree, those sales where people deliberately bought the single should count without reservation.
October 23, 201312 yr Tell Apple that, It's them who allegedly can't differentiate the sales. I agree, those sales where people deliberately bought the single should count without reservation. Apple most certainly can differentiate the sales, because Walking On Air managed to chart in America (I know there's airplay and streaming, etc. there but I doubt it had its sales excluded if it went top 40). Lord knows what the problem is here...
October 23, 201312 yr When the album is release it's like "Complete my album" though. You get charged less for the album and surely sales are taken away from the promotional singles like with most "complete my album" features. So there's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to chart imo. Sales aren't taken away for 'Complete My Album' in the UK. Either that or literally no one uses that feature. When the OCC first allowed Bowie to chart, that was just using sales of the song and not including album pre-orders, so Apple clearly are able to differentiate the sales. (A few weeks after that the rule was changed again so actual album pre-orders count as sales for the instant grat track as well).
October 23, 201312 yr Obviously Apple themselves know who's pre-ordered the album so they could produce separate figures: my guess is that they're only willing to divulge those figures with the record label's consent. Sony obviously did agree to do it for Bowie (and IIRC for Timberlake's first week before the new rules applied?) but maybe Universal don't want the split figures made public. Possibly they'd rather have it out of the chart entirely than at a lower position. As far as sales totals are concerned, I know the OCC told me on Twitter that Bowie's pre-order sales wouldn't be added to their database until the album was actually released.
October 23, 201312 yr This might go down as the biggest #1 scandal for a long time... Ignoring the fact the song would have been absolutely nowhere near #1 even if it was eligible.
October 23, 201312 yr Interesting chart this week, good clear out on the singles chart but I can see all the newer tracks falling out and still having old tracks hanging around! I think I read on Digital Spy that Gaga has now made this her second single from the album so that might make it chart by Sunday but unless its sales pick up then she might be lucky to scrape into the top 10 especially if they don't count Tuesday sales under the ineligible rule
October 24, 201312 yr I think Venus will be the official 2nd single and available as separate download.
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