Democracy in action

Nothing matters anymore, and the window for what is considered acceptable will just continue to grow. This iteration of Labour will just do the same when they're in power — look at Liverpool today.

 

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I wouldn't read too much in to that, it would be interesting if Labour come out and state the real reason though, which I would like to see them do for transparency. There are loads of dodgy financial transactions from the current Labour council Leadership in Liverpool, so either they are corrupt or happy to turn a blind eye to it. Think this is more about a move to sidestep a future scandal rather than factional rubbish. Otherwise if it were the latter, I doubt they would have been shortlisted in the first place.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2021/02/06/exclusive-...llors-involved/

Why the FECK are Labour now AGAINST rises in Corporation Tax ???

 

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Oh god. Labour has truly lost it.

And at a time when polls show the simplistic narrative can be twisted to show tax rises are needed following the events of the last 10/12 years. And people support it....

Labour continually doing their best to ensure there is no meaningful reason to vote for them 💀💀💀

 

There's strategy to get votes and then there's focus-grouping yourself into irrelevance because you chase the business lobby too hard and some votes are just unwinnable, sacrificing any sort of consistent vision for your hopeful future government in the process.

 

Like, Blair's rallied the wagons a bit around Starmer on this here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/f...er-tax-comments

 

Blair predicted that the next general election would not be fought on the territory of tax and spend that has dominated many recent contests, or on the government’s handling of the pandemic, but on “who’s got the best plan for the future”, including how to respond to rapid technological change.

 

Labour strategists are wary of being dragged into a messy debate about who should pay for the crisis, when many international experts are warning against tax increases or spending cuts while economies are still deep in recession.

 

but... Labour's clearly not doing much to challenge the government's narrative of their handling of the pandemic either, for god's sake, OPPOSE!!! (the bad things that the Tories do, not popular corp tax rises)

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Another open goal, another miss.

Frustrating isn’t the word. You can’t just say ‘people don’t want that’ based on an election from 15 months ago after we’ve seen a pandemic develop in that time. It’s tiring to hear about ‘what people want’ when I don’t feel like I’ve even been asked.

But Angela seems to forget that even though Labour lost the election, they won the argument 🤷🏽‍♂️

Frustrating isn’t the word. You can’t just say ‘people don’t want that’ based on an election from 15 months ago after we’ve seen a pandemic develop in that time. It’s tiring to hear about ‘what people want’ when I don’t feel like I’ve even been asked.

 

The thing is — people do want it, especially after the year we've just had.

 

Politics for the sake of it, and why people think politicians are all the same. Ridiculous.

 

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The thing is — people do want it, especially after the year we've just had.

 

Politics for the sake of it, and why people think politicians are all the same. Ridiculous.

 

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But that’s what I mean. Everyone I know wants it. But they’re still stuck in December 2019.

 

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It just gets worse!!! Corbyn was MILES better, so no wonder our evil media attacked him so much! Can't be havin him bring real change and permanently destroy the Tories, eh!

You all do know the 2.1% is the start of a negotiation position, right? :blink: That's what was agreed on in the budget and it's a starting point and the unions would negotiate with them if they were in government. It's basic competence for a party that's wants to be in government. The 2019 figure is now out of date with regards to the current budget and pulling out random figures such as 5% or 15% that you can't explain beyond "this what we want" rather than how you got there and how it works within the budget just screams protest group rather an opposition that wants to be in government. They have communicated this badly like the tax situation but we'll see what happens in the next few days as there is quite obviously gonna be some kind of u-turn.

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Funny, I always thought the starting point in negotiations was to give a figure above your expectations, not below.

 

The 2019 manifesto argued for a 5% pay rise!

 

I guess you agree with Angela Raynor that the lesson from that election defeat (despite strong polling from people supporting all parties suggesting otherwise) is that the public don't want nurses to be paid fairly.

Funny, I always thought the starting point in negotiations was to give a figure above your expectations, not below.

 

Ah yes, the infamous bare minimum negotiation.

 

 

 

How can you argue that you have to justify where the pay rise comes from after the year we’ve had? Or is it just a Tory chancellor who shakes the magic money tree when they feel like it!?

How can you argue that you have to justify where the pay rise comes from after the year we’ve had? Or is it just a Tory chancellor who shakes the magic money tree when they feel like it!?

Because the pay rise is not just for this year. Future pay rises would build on it. A 10% pay rise would cost £5bn per year, plus further increases each year. A 1% pay rise is an insult, particularly as nurses had already been led to believe they would get twice that. There is a clear moral case for awarding more than 2.1% but 10% goes some way beyond that.

 

It should be added that 1% is an offer, not a final amount. I suspect the government will increase that very soon. In the next two to three weeks, we will enter the purdah period where there are restrictions on government announcements ahead of the local elections. Expect a better offer just before we enter that period.

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Finally, a good move. I'm glad they've changed their mind on abstaining.

About time. Hope voting against a government bill isn't seen as 'acting as a protest group'.

 

I really did fear that this post was them doubling down on the decision to abstain or something like that, that's how little trust I have in them to stand up for what's right these days.