Deleted a few comments that went off-topic, didn't add anything to the discussion, or just annoyed the t*** off me. Let's keep the discussion reasonably intelligible.

 

I'm genuinely team Marianne Williamson, as the banter era dictates that Trump will be defeated by the woman who wants to create a Department of Peace and using psychic energy to beat him.

I am hoping that one of Warren or Sanders does drop out when it becomes clear which of them is more likely to be 'the' contender to Biden - you'd have to assume that their voters are mostly going to transfer between each other either way and then they'd be able to beat Biden fairly easily, but I'm worried we're going to end up with Biden hanging on and winning because of there being too much vote splitting between the 2 sane candidates.

Somewhat surprisingly, their bases aren't all that similar if we go by this politico article, basically Sanders appeals more to the young, lower-income and men, while Warren has older progressives who follow politics more closely in her camp, and women of course. Though to a degree of course they'll be fighting for the same crowd.

 

Because of that I feel that Bernie has a better chance of winning votes from Trump's base, while Warren has a better chance of keeping older Democratic moderates staying the course. But it's all academic unless Biden suffers a major slip up, I hope that the decision is taken if not by, soon after Iowa & New Hampshire.

 

Some of the more fringe candidates are starting to drop out, we lost Inslee (shame about the climate I guess), Hickenlooper (run for Senate) and Moulton (did anyone know he was running?). The field is thinning, and I think by the third debate we'll have a reasonably sized lineup. Perhaps with Williamson although I'm still sceptical.

I am hoping that one of Warren or Sanders does drop out when it becomes clear which of them is more likely to be 'the' contender to Biden - you'd have to assume that their voters are mostly going to transfer between each other either way and then they'd be able to beat Biden fairly easily, but I'm worried we're going to end up with Biden hanging on and winning because of there being too much vote splitting between the 2 sane candidates.

 

That's what I think will happen. Biden could pick Warren for his VP though and whilst it's basically a non-job, if he just serves one term, depending on his health, she could be the candidate in 2024 and the first woman President. Would no doubt annoy Hillary. :D

 

Still can't see past Joe Biden for the Nomination. A few DS posters think he's a bit senile, like Sanders and either would slip up in the debate against Trump.

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That's what I think will happen. Biden could pick Warren for his VP though and whilst it's basically a non-job, if he just serves one term, depending on his health, she could be the candidate in 2024 and the first woman President. Would no doubt annoy Hillary. :D

 

Still can't see past Joe Biden for the Nomination. A few DS posters think he's a bit senile, like Sanders and either would slip up in the debate against Trump.

Yes, because Trump is always so lucid and coherent.

 

Why would Hillary Clinton be annoyed at Elizabeth Warren becoming president? I'm sure she has accepted that she won't get the job herself, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't want any other woman to get it.

Why would Hillary Clinton be annoyed at Elizabeth Warren becoming president? I'm sure she has accepted that she won't get the job herself, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't want any other woman to get it.

 

 

Well she apparently wanted it so badly that it'll be bittersweet if another woman gets it in her lifetime. Anyone would feel the same.

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With all due respect to Hill, her personal feelings, nor anyone else’s, are really not important in the slightest right now. No one is entitled to the presidency.

 

Anyway, Bernie sounds more lucid and clear with each passing day. It feels like he’s in this race to fight for something and while his advanced age could hurt him, he’s the least likely of the older candidates to have a senior moment.

Oh my GOD

 

IT'S HAPPENING :cheer:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/ho...nd-warren%3famp

 

We have a national poll that didn't just use landlines as others do to get Biden leads. Bernie is just 3% shy, well within the margin of error, and as he is massively preferred amongst do not knows and independents... With Warren thay high too, once she drops out and endorses Bernie after his first couple of wins in thr early NE states and her voters LARGELY go to Bernie, it's done. Add the constant momentum he has CONSISTENTLY SHOWN HE HAS, and it's done! Bernie and Corbyn and Warren. What a dream team! The Orange Thing is busy attacking Joe. He doesn't see the threat from Sanders! He already fled from debating Sanders, as a right wing capitalist stands no chance against a socialist. With polls showing people still deeply hate anf distrust the political establishment, Bernie is the clear choice.

We have a national poll that didn't just use landlines as others do to get Biden leads. Bernie is just 3% shy, well within the margin of error, and as he is massively preferred amongst do not knows and independents... With Warren thay high too, once she drops out and endorses Bernie after his first couple of wins in thr early NE states and her voters LARGELY go to Bernie, it's done. Add the constant momentum he has CONSISTENTLY SHOWN HE HAS, and it's done! Bernie and Corbyn and Warren. What a dream team! The Orange Thing is busy attacking Joe. He doesn't see the threat from Sanders! He already fled from debating Sanders, as a right wing capitalist stands no chance against a socialist. With polls showing people still deeply hate anf distrust the political establishment, Bernie is the clear choice.

 

 

Do you think Bernie could beat Trump though? I do agree that Trump's concentrating most on Biden as he thinks he'll get the nomination as a lot of people do.

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Do you think Bernie could beat Trump though? I do agree that Trump's concentrating most on Biden as he thinks he'll get the nomination as a lot of people do.

 

Yes? :lol: He has consistently destroyed the Great Orange Turd in every single poll - ever. He smashed Hillary in the states rhat flipped to Trump. It's a done deal, even with the righr wing cheating. Did you know Hillary lost the rust belt states by around the same margin as people who were purged of voter rolls? Add that to the fact that they desperately closed polling stations in minority districts and there you have it. The right eing does not believe in democracy.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-th...Neyr9b57HuMH_6c

 

Omg Lizzo has climbed aboard the Bernie train! Listen to your idol, Buzzjack :wub:

I think one of the only potential nominees that will struggle against Trump is, funnily enough, Joe Biden. People underestimate just how apathetic of a choice he is, how his constant blunders will be used against him in a way Trumps aren't, and how his 'not Trump' platform just isn't quite the slam dunk corporate Democrats think it is.

Completely agreed. Trump is obviously senile and off his rocker, but Biden is also in mental decline.

Surely the big thing with the the 2016 campaign was just how easy it was to win the populist vote for Trump? Hilarly Clinton was an easy target which probably planted a lot of seeds of doubt in people's minds. Biden I suspect would be very simialr, he's liked to the Obama administration and isn't Obama. I doubt he inspires people the way Obama did. I think Trump would have him any day of the week. Bernie would be a bit different.

Bernie could flip Kansas and Texas!

Surely the big thing with the the 2016 campaign was just how easy it was to win the populist vote for Trump? Hilarly Clinton was an easy target which probably planted a lot of seeds of doubt in people's minds. Biden I suspect would be very simialr, he's liked to the Obama administration and isn't Obama. I doubt he inspires people the way Obama did. I think Trump would have him any day of the week. Bernie would be a bit different.

 

He doesn't, and he won't.

 

Sanders and Warren are the two with the massive movements around them. They're both electable. It's just a matter of the media, corporate Democrats, and people in general seeing beyond Biden. Perhaps that will happen when the pack is trimmed to the actual contenders.

Remember: Hills still had a 50% lead at this point and she lost the primaries.

Bernie could flip Kansas and Texas!

KANSAS lmao

Kansas was one of Hills' targets eh

new Monmouth poll out today has a virtual 3 way tie, with Biden a point behind Sanders and Warren

 

Sanders numbers haven't really changed that much over the last 8 months, he has hovered between the high teens and low 20s all the time, this is a bad poll for Biden tho, and shows Warren is gaining momentum

 

Sanders: 20% (+6)

Warren: 20% (+5)

Biden: 19% (-13)!

Harris: 8% (-)

Booker: 4% (+2)

Buttigieg: 4% (-1)

Yang: 3% (+1)

Castro: 2% (+2)

O’Rourke: 2% (-1)

Williamson: 2% (+1)

 

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