WHAT MAKES YOU BEAUTIFUL ONE DIRECTION 1,010,042 pure // 1,145,136 total

 

 

legends!!!

Mr Brightside also seems set to become the oldest song to go triple Platinum without selling 1 million. Just a case of which happens first: 33,000 sales or 8,200,000 streams.

 

The rest of the content within my first post as this wasn't the main point I was looking to make. Please chill out with the 'pointless post' and 'ridiculous argument' comments. There are much more open and friendly ways of wording things.

 

I don't need lecturing on how to post, I simply call things as I see them. Besides a single sentence post telling me I'd missed the point doesn't exactly seem particularly friendly itself, more condescending.

 

And besides which, who cares if it 'looks ridiculous' that the Teletubbies outsold Shape Of You? The fact is it did, in fact it outsold the majority of songs in history. Just because you don't like that fact doesn't mean we should seek to change it.

 

A list of the biggest sellers and a list of the most streamed songs should be separate IMO.

'You Don't Know Me' by Jax Jones and 'Stronger' by Kanye West have become 'millionaires' since this list was published (it dates to the w/e 7th September). 'No Scrubs' by TLC is just a week away from reaching the mark, too.

 

The list is missing a couple of songs though: 'Niggas in Paris' by Jay-Z and Kanye West was revealed by the OCC to be on 1.010m as of August 2017; 'Jailhouse Rock' by Elvis Presley was on ~1.050m as of August (986k pure sales + just under 7m streams).

 

I also notice that they seem to be using higher figures for 'Wonderwall' which I'm guessing is down to the issues surrounding 1994-96 data. Using the revised 1996 sales, its total sales stand at 1.88m.

Thank you "Shape of You" for reminding people how much of a classic "No Scrubs" is.

‘You Don’t Know Me’ is a great song, but a millionaire? :o

The rest of the content within my first post as this wasn't the main point I was looking to make. Please chill out with the 'pointless post' and 'ridiculous argument' comments. There are much more open and friendly ways of wording things.

 

I agree that it's extremely difficult to equate streams and sales like for like, however, I applaud anyone that tries. The point I was trying to make is that based on sales only records you have songs such as the Teletubbies release showing up as more commercially successful than SOY which isn't right or accurate in real terms. It's evident that the times have moved on and things have drastically changed and will continue to change. Many of us like to measure present vs past and whilst of course there will be separate records for both sales and streaming, I for one like to see combined analysis when released. The 100:1 does seem to be flawed with the continued success of streaming and I hope they find a way of rectifying this to ensure figures are as accurate as possible. Over to the OCC.

 

Yes teletubbies is more commercially successful because more people actually bought it

 

SOY might be more popular and probably the more listened to song overall but it's still not the more commercially successful of the 2 because it's actually sold less

 

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with all due respect do you not know what commercially successful means?

 

Ed Sheeran got people to listen to 'Shape Of You' literally billions of times, got a ton of airplay and a relatively huge number of downloads (for 2017 standards).

 

Exactly in what universe is that less commercially successful than the Teletubbies song just because it happened to have been released in a time where there was no streaming?

Yes teletubbies is more commercially successful because more people actually bought it

 

SOY might be more popular and probably the more listened to song overall but it's still not the more commercially successful of the 2 because it's actually sold less

 

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This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read

'You Don't Know Me' by Jax Jones and 'Stronger' by Kanye West have become 'millionaires' since this list was published (it dates to the w/e 7th September). 'No Scrubs' by TLC is just a week away from reaching the mark, too.

 

The list is missing a couple of songs though: 'Niggas in Paris' by Jay-Z and Kanye West was revealed by the OCC to be on 1.010m as of August 2017; 'Jailhouse Rock' by Elvis Presley was on ~1.050m as of August (986k pure sales + just under 7m streams).

 

I also notice that they seem to be using higher figures for 'Wonderwall' which I'm guessing is down to the issues surrounding 1994-96 data. Using the revised 1996 sales, its total sales stand at 1.88m.

 

'Jailhouse Rock' was surely on an overall total of 985.50k in the Presley list, inclusive of the 70m streams? At least that appears to be what they did with 'It's Now Or Never' which at 1.3m seems to incorporate the physical/download total and streamed figure to jump from 1.27m previously. Quite apart from the nonsense about the JR sales estimate including a provision for sales of the track via its Extended Play Album chart run!

 

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'Jailhouse Rock' was surely on an overall total of 985.50k in the Presley list, inclusive of the 70m streams? At least that appears to be what they did with 'It's Now Or Never' which at 1.3m seems to incorporate the physical/download total and streamed figure to jump from 1.27m previously. Quite apart from the nonsense about the JR sales estimate including a provision for sales of the track via its Extended Play Album chart run!

 

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The OCC left a note stating the list was based on physical and digital sales only. I suppose they could have excluded sales from the EP though.

Justin Bieber at #10?! Eugh.

 

Also, surely Michael Jackson's Thriller can't be too many Halloween's away from passing 1 million? I am bemused it hasn't already.

I agree with this. I think it's a pretty rubbish argument-'we have to include streams because if we don't we won't get any more million sellers!!!!'-so what?

 

Apart from the fact that the list would be frozen in time forever and completely exclude any new popular hits you mean?

 

The Top 40 digital/physical sellers list for the decade has on this September 2017 list no new entries from that posted 2 years ago, Coldplay are still at 40 with Paradise and the biggest move is Thinking Out Loud which climbs 26-21; the rest quite literally shuffle one or two places. Hello is the closest 'new' song to making the list (#44) but that is still way behind at the moment.

 

I also don't get why physical sales are seen as gospel truth and that these 'hallowed values' must be worshipped and must never be either questioned or besmirched by these streaming calculations, when they were only an estimate from 'panel sales' and a selection of retailers anyway. The fact that OCC has managed to create an equivalent sale from streaming consumption that gives equable values which reflect, if anything, greater consumption than at any time in history, is actually quite remarkable.

 

A bit like how the 'biggest grossing films of all-time' list is difficult to create due to inflation and the waxing and waning of the cinema going audience, you won't ever get things perfect but the OCC have done a reasonable job IMO.

Edited September 29, 20177 yr by Doctor Blind

Also, to those who thought Maroon 5's "Sugar" bombed: really? Number 7, their most streamed song on Spotify and over 2 billion hits on YouTube!

Apart from the fact that the list would be frozen in time forever and completely exclude any new popular hits you mean?

 

The Top 40 digital/physical sellers list for the decade has on this September 2017 list no new entries from that posted 2 years ago, Coldplay are still at 40 with Paradise and the biggest move is Thinking Out Loud which climbs 26-21; the rest quite literally shuffle one or two places. Hello is the closest 'new' song to making the list (#44) but that is still way behind at the moment.

 

I also don't get why physical sales are seen as gospel truth and that these 'hallowed values' must be worshipped and must never be either questioned or besmirched by these streaming calculations, when they were only an estimate from 'panel sales' and a selection of retailers anyway. The fact that OCC has managed to create an equivalent sale from streaming consumption that gives equable values which reflect, if anything, greater consumption than at any time in history, is actually quite remarkable.

 

A bit like how the 'biggest grossing films of all-time' list is difficult to create due to inflation and the waxing and waning of the cinema going audience, you won't ever get things perfect but the OCC have done a reasonable job IMO.

I think the biggest flaw with this all-time list is that for example "Shape of You" (and other 2017 exclusive hits) have their streams counted at the 100/1 ratio which they never charted under.

 

If they had been calculated using the formula introduced at the beginning of 2017 of 150/1, "Shape of You"'s streaming units would equal 1,467,000 - 733,000 less than what the OCC are giving here. Even more so is that since July (so the past three months), its chart streaming sales have been counted at the 300/1 ratio meaning its overall total should in fact be nowhere near the 3 million units that they're telling us it has 'sold'.

 

(Also to the above post saying that "You Don't Know Me" has sold 1m, its total is 984,000 given by the link above)

Edited October 4, 20177 yr by THEO.

(Also to the above post saying that "You Don't Know Me" has sold 1m, its total is 984,000 given by the link above)

It was released in December 2016 so some sales have been excluded from that OCC total.

You Don't Know Me :lame:

 

Love the song but that shows how meaningless this list now

I think the biggest flaw with this all-time list is that for example "Shape of You" (and other 2017 exclusive hits) have their streams counted at the 100/1 ratio which they never charted under.

 

If they had been calculated using the formula introduced at the beginning of 2017 of 150/1, "Shape of You"'s streaming units would equal 1,467,000 - 733,000 less than what the OCC are giving here. Even more so is that since July (so the past three months), its chart streaming sales have been counted at the 300/1 ratio meaning its overall total should in fact be nowhere near the 3 million units that they're telling us it has 'sold'.

 

(Also to the above post saying that "You Don't Know Me" has sold 1m, its total is 984,000 given by the link above)

 

I must admit it that Shape Of You's sales are probably fairly inflated from repeat listening, although it did have the stormzy version added to its totals which the OCC have never done as far as I'm aware for any other songs that have a remix/different version (aka Florence & Dizzze Rascal, Sam Smith) but for some reason they bent the rules for SOY. Anyway the ratios they have, especially the 300:1 ratio, are just a chart manipulation rule because record labels are not happy they cant force something to no.1 like the "good old days". So it would be pointless trying to accrue sales from that point, even though I can see what you mean, it just illustrates how much of a mess the singles chart is on a weekly basis at the moment.

 

Also music week have updated some of this years biggest hits. SOY is now on 2.95 million units, with Despacito on 2 million with Symphony also passing the 1 million units mark.

 

http://www.musicweek.com/talent/read/q3-sa...for-2017/070033

Edited October 5, 20177 yr by Supercell

Remixes are usually combined with the original.

 

Sam Smith was different because the remix was for Comic Relief, and the Florence/Dizzee song was released under the name 'You Got The Dirtee Love' rather than 'You Got The Love (Dizzee Remix)'.

Good to see littl mix black magic millionaire and TS could still Sell 1m of shake it off but awesome she a millionaire too