Well that means it's probably at least been proposed in the meetings as maybe a way to delay Article 50 (the EU may delay it if there was a general election) and hopefully for the Conservatives, win a Tory majority. It's a very risky strategy though,

Edited January 19, 20196 yr by The Snake

Well that means it's probably at least been proposed in the meetings as maybe a way to delay Article 50 (the EU may delay it if there was a general election) and hopefully for the Conservatives, win a Tory majority. It's a very risky strategy though.

 

 

They've just mentioned it, saying it's been discussed today but she'd have to get a vote through Parliament before Thursday to pass election legislation. It would be a genuine reason to ask the EU to postpone article 50 but as you say, very risky for the Tories.

Edited January 19, 20196 yr by Crazy Chris

They've just mentioned it, saying it's been discussed today but she'd have to get a vote through Parliament before Thursday to pass election legislation. It would be a genuine reason to ask the EU to postpone article 50 but as you say, very risky for the Tories.

 

Especially as a strong performance in Scotland rescued the Conservatives last election and I am sure that now that the whole anti-Indyref2 thing that boosted them last time has subsided a bit, they would lose a lot of seats in Scotland to Labour or the SNP.

Edited January 19, 20196 yr by The Snake

Let's get this straight first off, there is absolutely no way Labour win any General Election with a majority without declaring a stance on Brexit. Corbyn and Corbynites are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think this will happen as the circumstances are completely different to 2017. The only way they can get in to power is via a Coalition with the SNP and Lib Dems (who you would expect might gain some of the Con/Lib marginal seats in Remain areas) and in general I would expect them to see voting increases. And I suspect both would want a People's Vote and potentially another independence referendum as a consequence.

 

Can only see May calling a General Election in order to extend Article 50. The other thing is she promised the Conservative Party she wouldn't lead another General Election (tho she did say 2022 IIRC).

From Daily Mail online

 

Ministers have warned that a 'once unthinkable' general election might be the only option left for Theresa May - and it could be as soon as February 28.

 

Senior Tory sources last night admitted there was a growing feeling around the Cabinet table that an early poll could happen.

 

Theresa May could be forced to call one to break the deadlock that has followed the defeat of her Brexit deal as she's 'running out of road,' reports the Sun.

 

One Cabinet source questioned about the possibility of a snap poll told the Daily Mail: ‘There is a dawning realisation it’s now not just possible but may be necessary.’

 

An aide to one Cabinet minister said: ‘I’m not sure what a general election solves while risking a Corbyn government’

 

Tory sources have admitted a growing feeling that an early poll could happen meaning the public would chose between May's Brexit deal or two more years of EU talks with Jeremy Corbyn as PM.

Edited January 19, 20196 yr by Crazy Chris

OK, but I would be inclined to take these newspaper reports with a pinch of salt though....

 

They've just mentioned it, saying it's been discussed today but she'd have to get a vote through Parliament before Thursday to pass election legislation. It would be a genuine reason to ask the EU to postpone article 50 but as you say, very risky for the Tories.

 

It would get through Parliament I think, all the opposition parties seem to want one.

My expert opinion is that a new General Election would solve sweet Fanny Adams in relation to Brexit, as the likely post-election makeup after would still result in no clear majority for any of the possible options. That doesn't mean I don't think it won't happen, it's that it won't resolve anything in relation to this.

Especially as a strong performance in Scotland rescued the Conservatives last election and I am sure that now that the whole anti-Indyref2 thing that boosted them last time has subsided a bit, they would lose a lot of seats in Scotland to Labour or the SNP.

Not labour. It’s a small sample, but Scottish subsample from yougov has SNP at 47 and labour in the teens. Tory on 24. They’ll hold the borders and inexplicably the fishing north (seeing as all the tories have ever done is fck over the fishers) but imagine they’ll lose the other gains

 

The SNP have hit the start button on the indyref motor and there’s very little noise from the unionist press so far.

All the opinion polls suggest that a general election would resolve absolutely nothing. The likeliest outcome atm is that the Tories would still be the largest party but with even fewer seats than they have now. The last late-February election was in 1974. I’ve just confirmed my recollection that it was the 28th. It didn’t go terribly well for the government. Of course, we could see a reversal of that election with Labour winning the most votes but the Tories winning more seats.

All the opinion polls suggest that a general election would resolve absolutely nothing. The likeliest outcome atm is that the Tories would still be the largest party but with even fewer seats than they have now. The last late-February election was in 1974. I’ve just confirmed my recollection that it was the 28th. It didn’t go terribly well for the government. Of course, we could see a reversal of that election with Labour winning the most votes but the Tories winning more seats.

 

Possibly an unstable coalition of Labour, SNP & LD...

so her bluff on a No Deal is about to be railroaded off the table by parliament, so she's thinking of pulling a huge strop and avoiding asking the public via People's Vote by instead threatening to unleash a better option for her - forcing Labour to try and convince part of their voter base that they are behind Brexit or part of them that they aren't behind Brexit. I'm not convinced that Corbyn pissing about on the fence will work if it comes to that and that's prob what May sees is her last throw of the dice - to threaten it to get Brexiteers on board, or to carry it out and gamble again.

 

I'd never let her loose in a bookies with a stash of £50 notes she'd end up homeless on the streets in a week...

Nothing on Sky's website but I heard it about 9.40pm and it was "Breaking News" as is most news on Sky. :rolleyes:

So it was "Breaking News" last night after being on the front page of the i yesterday?

Nothing on Sky's website but I heard it about 9.40pm and it was "Breaking News" as is most news on Sky. :rolleyes:

 

I guess we'll find out this week. Parliament would have to be dissolved by Thursday to hold a general election on 28 Feb (which seems unlikely giving meaningful vote 2.0 is happening after then).

May has finally stopped pretending she's trying to please everyone and has plumped for the Hard Brexiters and DUP by trying to get rid of the backstop and renegotiating the Good Friday Agreement with ireland, neither of which will happen as long as Ireland have a veto.

 

So she's playing chicken with the nation's future assuming when time runs out the Hard Brexiteers will come on board and vote for her deal. No they won't, they will opt for No Deal. She is a terrible gambler, hasn't a clue, so I'm presuming in that case that she's wanted No Deal all along and everything else is just lip service and lies. Either that or she's utterly useless at logic, human nature, having good judgement and talking to other people. Or both.

I've always got the impression that her own personal views on the EU aren't that strong either way and that she's basically looking for a way out of this now, deal or not. As I stated earlier I don't like her and it's her own doing, but im sure the last 2 years have been hell for her and I think she's just looking for a way to bugger off out of this.

 

Every interview or apperance she does she looks like she's about to spontaenously combust from the pressure of this.

Edited January 21, 20196 yr by mald487

May has finally stopped pretending she's trying to please everyone and has plumped for the Hard Brexiters and DUP by trying to get rid of the backstop and renegotiating the Good Friday Agreement with ireland, neither of which will happen as long as Ireland have a veto.

 

So she's playing chicken with the nation's future assuming when time runs out the Hard Brexiteers will come on board and vote for her deal. No they won't, they will opt for No Deal. She is a terrible gambler, hasn't a clue, so I'm presuming in that case that she's wanted No Deal all along and everything else is just lip service and lies. Either that or she's utterly useless at logic, human nature, having good judgement and talking to other people. Or both.

The Good Friday Agreement was, of course, endorsed by large majorities in referendums in both parts of the island of Ireland. But, apparently, renegotiating it is not a betrayal of those who voted for it.

I genuinely have no idea what May is doing right now. I don't see a way that Deal is getting through Parliment and she seems determined that we we won't be extending Article 50.

 

Still yet to see anyone come up with a good argument for No Deal yet.

I genuinely have no idea what May is doing right now. I don't see a way that Deal is getting through Parliment and she seems determined that we we won't be extending Article 50.

 

 

Then obviously she must think we'll leave with no deal. I'm glad she's adamant that they must honour the result of the election. She said in a round about way that there may be some sort of civil unrest if she didn't respect the referendum result.

Then obviously she must think we'll leave with no deal. I'm glad she's adamant that they must honour the result of the election. She said in a round about way that there may be some sort of civil unrest if she didn't respect the referendum result.

They keep spouting this nonsense about civil unrest. The normal government response to such threats is to say something along the lines of "We will not allow mindless hooligans to dictate government policy".

Going no deal completely disrespects the 48% of us that wanted to stay. We may not have won but 48% is not an insignificant number.