Yes, just take a look around you and the fields are full of bananas, oranges, pineapples etc. And we all know that there is an abundance of British apples, salad item, etc. all year round.

 

So you've failed to give much of answer to that question. What about the others?

 

BTW, bananas do not grow in Europe, and I don't think pineapples do either.

No you Remainers are getting boring by saying how bad things will be if we leave with no deal. It's not just here but other forums like DS too where the discussion's just going round and round in circles between remainers and brexiteers. It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

As Vid says there may be a few short-term price rises for imported foods but it'll not last long and there'll still be plenty of home produced foods available. We bake most of our bread here for example. Anyone for British beef on March 30th for dinner?

 

'Remainers' are discussing different possible outcomes by providing research, links, opinions from top people in various sectors, and so on. There are more than just blanket statements. The same cannot be said about any of the Leave or No Deal supporters on this forum. Questions are being continuously ignored and it's all just surface level opinions without any backing.

 

That is causing the round and round circles. It's really tedious.

It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

Are you actually for real? Are you 8 years old? This isn't a game, it'a not about 'winning' or 'losing' it's about our future.

 

As a remainer I accept that we have to leave. Never at any point have I said that we should have to stay. What I object to is the wreckless way in which we are leaving.

 

As somebody that makes their living and has family and friends abroad(a point I made earlier which you chose to ignore because you have no credible response to it, along with Silas post about their situation), knowing what my future will look like after March 29th is at the top of my priority list, not 'winning'or 'losing'.

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by mald487

BTW, bananas do not grow in Europe, and I don't think pineapples do either.

That's not the point. If we leave without a deal and rely on WTO rules, tariffs will be slapped on imports wherever they come from. Some of those tariffs will be as high as 40%. Maybe you can afford to pay much higher prices. Many people can't.

That's not the point. If we leave without a deal and rely on WTO rules, tariffs will be slapped on imports wherever they come from. one of those tariffs will be as high as 40%. Maybe you can afford to pay much higher prices. Many people can't.

 

Yep. I would have thought this was obvious. :lol:

 

No you Remainers are getting boring by saying how bad things will be if we leave with no deal. It's not just here but other forums like DS too where the discussion's just going round and round in circles between remainers and brexiteers. It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

As Vid says there may be a few short-term price rises for imported foods but it'll not last long and there'll still be plenty of home produced foods available. We bake most of our bread here for example. Anyone for British beef on March 30th for dinner?

 

I’m so terribly sorry that my concern for the future is boring you. I suppose the most important part of our economy crashing will be how fun and exciting it all was to observe.

 

Some of us weren’t around 45 years ago. Some of us had no issues with being a member of the EU in this day and age. Some of us are half your age and will have to live with the effects of your short sited views for twice as long as you. Some of us would rather not see food prices go up when the cost of living is way too high.

 

I think we have reason to be concerned. You saying it’ll all be fine without anything to back that up isn’t going to make our worries go away. We have asked you time and time again why you believe it’ll all be ok but you’ve given us no reassurance. You just seem to be riding high on the fact your side won. This isn’t helpful.

My insomnia gets worse during stressful times and one major thing adding to my stress is losing my EU citizenship while living and working in an EU country under an arrangement that exists thanks to Freedom of Movement. So it's 03:57 and here I am wondering about Brexit outcomes.

 

Would agree with that. May's stubbornness won't get her anywhere in Brussels, but it might in the House of Commons.

 

So once she comes back with nothing, and we're back to square one again:

 

- I think she'd rather have No Deal than have to make concessions to Labour/softer Brexit MPs that she needs to get the deal through. The latter would destroy her party (not so sure if the current deal would).

- Labour/softer Brexit MPs would rather have a deal through than actually allow No Deal to happen (in part) due to their repeatedly voting down the deal.

 

Don't quite know what the optics will look like, but I can see those two assumptions leading us to her deal going through if indeed they're correct.

So to add to this, without May's deal I think that No Deal is far more likely than any other outcome. People's Vote is dead. Looking at the number of Labour rebels on the Yvette Cooper amendment, even a Commons majority for an A50 extension might never come under some circumstances?!

 

If No Deal does happen, it'd happen because the government could well prefer ending up with No Deal than having their own WA deal go through. It depends on where the votes for the deal come from - if it's off the back of a loose coalition of 200+ loyal Tory MPs, 'moderate' Tory MPs and many dozens of Labour MPs, then it could spell trouble. Particularly if the latter are really persistent on adding a permanent customs union to the political declaration, which would only enrage the hard right further. I don't see how sufficient numbers of the ~100 Tory + DUP MPs who voted against the WA two weeks ago due to the backstop will be able to justify voting for it when it's inevitably still there in February, especially given that a large chunk of them seemingly have no qualms about No Deal. The course of action set out by the Brady amendment is doomed to fail and yet the Tories have built their hopes up on it. Not sure what happens to their collective psyche when it comes crashing down...

 

If the deal does goes through thanks to the above coalition, then the DUP vote against the government in the next motion of no confidence and we have an election on our hands. If the Conservative party looks to split (not sure how you can even fight an election as a coherent political party following a large rebellion on such a key piece of legislation) then perhaps government decide that No Deal is the less bad outcome for their party after all. And party will be prioritised over country.

 

Bonne nuit x

Edited January 31, 20196 yr by Harve

No you Remainers are getting boring by saying how bad things will be if we leave with no deal. It's not just here but other forums like DS too where the discussion's just going round and round in circles between remainers and brexiteers. It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

As Vid says there may be a few short-term price rises for imported foods but it'll not last long and there'll still be plenty of home produced foods available. We bake most of our bread here for example. Anyone for British beef on March 30th for dinner?

 

Sour grapes? That'll be those stuck at the border then, without a deal to get them to Tesco before they go off....

Sour grapes? That'll be those stuck at the border then, without a deal to get them to Tesco before they go off....

 

If they're sour, they already have. :P

 

Seriously though, no-one *really* knows what'll happen post Mar 29th, and wild speculation is likely to be damaging in itself, so IMO the media should refrain from it.

Edited January 31, 20196 yr by vidcapper

BTW, bananas do not grow in Europe, and I don't think pineapples do either.

 

No, but they will still get stuck in the border queues and as Suedey says they enter the UK based on EU rules. We could always, of course, choose to have no borders and let everyone into the country wherever they come from and whatever they say and sell whatever they want.

 

Or we can check things at the border. I think you voted to check things at the border and stop free movement?

Show me some, and I'll let you know... ;)

 

How about "easiest trade deal in history?"

 

"The EU will roll over and give us what we want because the Germans want to keep selling cars"?

 

"Brexit doesn't mean leaving the Single market - we can have a Norway/Canada Plus deal"? (Farage/Johnson/Rees-Mogg etc)

 

"You haven't heard the last of this - a narrow lose for Leave means we need another referendum"?

 

"Vladimir, hang on a second while I get down on my knees"?

 

 

No, but they will still get stuck in the border queues and as Suedey says they enter the UK based on EU rules. We could always, of course, choose to have no borders and let everyone into the country wherever they come from and whatever they say and sell whatever they want.

 

Or we can check things at the border. I think you voted to check things at the border and stop free movement?

 

Doesn't the EU realise that playing silly buggers with border queues will hurt *them* too, so why engage in such spiteful tactics?

Or we can check things at the border. I think you voted to check things at the border and stop free movement?

 

I want closer checks on *people*, more so than goods. That way we can let in law-abiding immigrants, but tell the criminals to p1ss off.

 

I want closer checks on *people*, more so than goods. That way we can let in law-abiding immigrants, but tell the criminals to p1ss off.

 

 

Ah but what if some people are stowing away amongst the bananas and pineapples? ;)

Here Philippe Lamberts, a Belgian Green MEP, explains why they'd prefer no deal to removing the backstop.

 

 

We are not going to say that we surrender the backstop or, conversely, that we accept that we will make no checks at the borders, even though the United Kingdom might significantly diverge in terms of sanitary standards, social standards, environmental standards. And then we should let a 500 kilometre door open to the single market, without any checks? Just as if you, as a Brexiter, would say, ‘Okay, we do not want [freedom of movement], but we accept that we will not make any border checks on people. Would they do that? Of course not ...

 

I think there is an underestimation in the United Kingdom ... that the cost of hurting the single market is judged, on this side of the channel, as much bigger than the cost of a no-deal Brexit. Yes, a no-deal Brexit will be damaging, not just to the UK - massively so - but also to the European Union. But accepting a gigantic backdoor into the single market would be even more damaging. So the calculus is quite obvious; if we have to choose, we will choose the lesser of two evils, and that’s a no-deal Brexit.

Edited January 31, 20196 yr by Common Sense

If they're sour, they already have. :P

 

Seriously though, no-one *really* knows what'll happen post Mar 29th, and wild speculation is likely to be damaging in itself, so IMO the media should refrain from it.

So we should never look at likely outcomes when making a decision? OK.

So we should never look at likely outcomes when making a decision? OK.

 

That's not what I said. I said the *media* should not irresponsibly speculate, not that plans should not be drawn up.

 

We already know that if you tell people about possible shortages, they will panic-buy, thereby *causing* shortages.

That's not what I said. I said the *media* should not irresponsibly speculate, not that plans should not be drawn up.

 

We already know that if you tell people about possible shortages, they will panic-buy, thereby *causing* shortages.

You seemed perfectly happy for the media to speculate about sunlit uplands before the referendum.

Doesn't the EU realise that playing silly buggers with border queues will hurt *them* too, so why engage in such spiteful tactics?

 

it's not spite! Every country in the world controls it's borders to the best of their ability. I think you'll find most brexiters voted Leave to CONTROL borders, not open them up to whoever wants to come in from anywhere with anything they want to bring in.....

That's not what I said. I said the *media* should not irresponsibly speculate, not that plans should not be drawn up.

 

We already know that if you tell people about possible shortages, they will panic-buy, thereby *causing* shortages.

shortages of fresh fruit and veg will happen because they go off quickly, panic buying is irrelevant cos they'll still go off. I mean have you tried trying to freeze bananas and lettuce?! I know the ones I buy go off within days if they arent eaten, and they're FRESH.

 

I mean, Brexiteers trying to redefine scientific fact is HILARIOUS!