Bye bye Rudd. May this open the floodgates. But in seriousness, imagine if May did the same. You often see Rudd and May together, what if this is testing the waters for a severe One Nation/ERG split. Possibly political fan fiction but eh.

 

Thank goodness we haven't had to endure four years of chaos with Ed Miliband.

 

Can you just imagine if Labour had had to do a deal with the SNP though? The SNP could hold Labour to ransom on every vote, and they could even block major legislation, maybe even a government’s flagship policy. Thank god nothing like that’s happened in Parliament this year.

 

If the media backed off painting Corbyn as the devil we would see people's opinions being very different.

 

I even think tbh if he became PM the papers would change their tune, at least some of them. Would the BBC have to?? Then we would see how the bias went on the other foot.

 

Those that say if he resigned and a new leader came all would be different, are you forgetting Miliband? Brown? Both painted too as much worse than they were.

 

On that note. Pretty hilarious the antisemitism in Labour furore when you remember who the leader before Corbyn was. Ed Miliband, whose mother was a Jew - who is at least half Jewish. And who the other candidate, the second candidate voted by Labour members to be leader was - the second most popular ultimately - his brother, of exactly the same heritage. Someone's been telling porkies or trying to help us all forget that.

 

I pretty much completely agree. While he’s not perfect his policies and plan for Britain has always looked entirely reasonable and in stark contrast to the picture the media paints of him. He seems light years more statesmanlike than any of the shower of idiots in government the last few years.

Can you just imagine if Labour had had to do a deal with the SNP though? The SNP could hold Labour to ransom on every vote, and they could even block major legislation, maybe even a government’s flagship policy.

 

At very least, they could force them to offer a new Independence vote.

What a tragedy that would be.

Yeah the difference between that scenario and DUP reality is that I disagree with the SNP on very little up to and including independence at this point. If they want an escape route from this farce, let them have it.

Boris is reportedly going to challenge the new no deal law in the Supreme Court as he's still determined to take us out with no deal on 31st October even if it means he goes to jail.

Don’t be a raging moron. Johnson will never go to prison, he’s far too invested in his own self interest to do that

Whereas massive effort is being expended to circumvent the referendum result...

Are you still struggling to tell the difference between breaking the law and deciding to disregard the result of an advisory referendum is impossible to implement without causing serious harm to the country?

Boris is reportedly going to challenge the new no deal law in the Supreme Court as he's still determined to take us out with no deal on 31st October even if it means he goes to jail.

Challenge it in what grounds?

Challenge it in what grounds?

 

 

No idea, just mentioned as one of his thoughts, on Sky News earlier.

From BBC News.

 

The Conservative Party plans to stand a candidate against Speaker John Bercow for his role in allowing MPs to take control of the Commons agenda.

 

Business secretary Andrea Leadsom accused the Speaker in the Mail on Sunday of "flagrant abuse" of process.

 

Breaching convention, the party plans to oppose Mr Bercow in his Buckingham constituency at the next election.

 

Formerly a Tory, Mr Bercow gave up his party affiliation when he took on the impartial role.

 

As the highest authority in the House of Commons, the Speaker chairs MPs' debates.

 

In order to be impartial, the Speaker resigns from their party, and - while they still stand in general elections - they are usually unopposed by the main parties, and they do not campaign on political issues.

 

But Ms Leadsom - who has clashed with Mr Bercow in the past - said the Tories would ignore this convention and stand against him at the next election.

 

She said the role of the Speaker was to be "a politically impartial, independent umpire of proceedings" and to "protect the constitution and oversee the behaviour of the House".

 

"But last week, the current Speaker failed us," she said.

 

By allowing the use of Standing Order Number 24 - a procedure normally used to trigger emergency debates - to take over the Parliamentary timetable, Mr Bercow had not "just bent the rules, he has broken them", she said.

 

The move meant opposition and rebel MPs could pass a law blocking a no-deal Brexit, which the prime minister said undermined his Brexit strategy.

 

Ms Leadsom said allowing the opposition to control the agenda in this way "ignores the government's right to govern" and undermines democracy, prompting Mr Johnson's call for a general election.

 

"Bring it on, I say, and give us back an impartial speaker," she said.

Don’t be a raging moron. Johnson will never go to prison, he’s far too invested in his own self interest to do that

 

This. It's all bluster. If we had a responsible media, they would remind us of how he said the same about bulldozers and then fled the country.

Boris is reportedly going to challenge the new no deal law in the Supreme Court as he's still determined to take us out with no deal on 31st October even if it means he goes to jail.

 

So does this basically confirm what we already knew? That Boris wants no deal and isn’t interested in negotiating? This is what makes him an absolute monster.

Exactly. For all the talk of renegotiating in all those hundreds of debates and interviews for becoming leader of the party, there has been zero attempts to try and renegotiate and come up with a workable solution to the backstop. The latter is because there is no workable solution. All attention has been focused on a no deal.

 

At least we know the economy will fall by ‘only’ 5.5% rather than 8% 🙃

They aren't negotiating. This is an absolute farce. And people like Chris still believe they are trying to come with a deal, when the EU has said negotiations finished with Mad May in the first place :rofl:

So does this basically confirm what we already knew? That Boris wants no deal and isn’t interested in negotiating? This is what makes him an absolute monster.

 

It's all he's ever been interesting as it gets the crazies on side. The obvious problem with this current Cabinet (and further demonstrated with Leadsome's comments in the Mail) is that is it full of idiots, lunatics, overpromotions and people just out of touch with reality. Half of these people should be nowhere near Minister positions let alone in the Cabinet.

 

There's stuff today that Farage and Boris are about to get in to bed with each other. If that happens you kill off the Conservative Party longer term. Of course Farage is trying to trap the Tories, it's whether they fall for the trap, but just like I can't see Labour forming a Remain alliance, I can't see the Tories doing it either.

On that note. Pretty hilarious the antisemitism in Labour furore when you remember who the leader before Corbyn was. Ed Miliband, whose mother was a Jew - who is at least half Jewish. And who the other candidate, the second candidate voted by Labour members to be leader was - the second most popular ultimately - his brother, of exactly the same heritage. Someone's been telling porkies or trying to help us all forget that.

 

That's a classic piece of misdirection there. Let's not forget that Jeremy Corbyn became leader due to the tens of thousands of people, many from the radical-left, who became members of the Labour Party for the sole purpose of voting for Jeremy Corbyn, and it is from these entryists that the anti-Semitism has largely come from. There were minor occurrences of anti-Semitism in the party well before Corbyn became leader, although these were usually minor, isolated incidents (including a few from Ken Livingstone whilst he was Mayor of London, which did cause controversy at the time). But with Corbyn and the influx of new members, the issue has become systemic, whether or not Corbyn is anti-Semitic himself, anti-Semites do seem to view him as a "fellow traveller", and so far the Labour Party has done a poor job of dealing with the issue head-on. It's a sad state of affair that Corbyn has received the support of bone-fide anti-Semites like Nick Griffin and former leader of the KKK David Duke due to them viewing him as such, and as far as I am aware he has yet to denounce their support.

 

I also don't find it "pretty hilarious" that prominent Jewish MPs and members of the Labour Party have been made to feel unwelcome in the party that they have made their home in due to being targeted for their religion/ethnicity, but I guess we must have very different opinions of what constitutes humour.

So what do you say about HALF of the anti semitism claims just being duplicates to make Labour look worse? What about those who report Labour for anti-semitism over criticism of Israel? The peoplr who joined he party to vote for Corbyn are just everyday people. They're not all hard left and the hard left is not anti-semetic anyway, though it is critical of the Israeli government. Who has been made to feel unwelcome? We would need actual polling data on that.

 

Labour has tackled the issue, as one instance is still one too many, and done everything it can though? Whilst Labour is making sure it tackles any futurw issues, what about the Tories? What are they doing about their anti semitisim and islamophobia. What's that - nothing at all? Oh.

So what do you say about HALF of the anti semitism claims just being duplicates to make Labour look worse? What about those who report Labour for anti-semitism over criticism of Israel? The peoplr (sic) who joined he party to vote for Corbyn are just everyday people. They're not hard left and the hard left is not anti-semetic, though it is critical of the Israeli government.

 

Citations needed.

 

I am fully aware that criticism of Israel does not equate to anti-Semitism (indeed, many Jewish people and Israelis would be heavily critical of Israel since Benjamin Netenyahu became PM again). It's just that many of those that are are also horribly anti-Semitic as well.

It's all he's ever been interesting as it gets the crazies on side. The obvious problem with this current Cabinet (and further demonstrated with Leadsome's comments in the Mail) is that is it full of idiots, lunatics, overpromotions and people just out of touch with reality. Half of these people should be nowhere near Minister positions let alone in the Cabinet.

 

There's stuff today that Farage and Boris are about to get in to bed with each other. If that happens you kill off the Conservative Party longer term. Of course Farage is trying to trap the Tories, it's whether they fall for the trap, but just like I can't see Labour forming a Remain alliance, I can't see the Tories doing it either.

I wonder what the party chair, Notso Cleverley, thinks of that idea. He thought it was outrageous that the Greens and Plaid Cymru chose not to stand in the Brecon byelection. Surely he wouldn't be so hypocritical as to support a Tory pact with the Farage Fan Club?

Farage has said that the Brexit party won’t stand against any Conservative MP who voted against May’s deal and will also vote against any future deal...

 

Incredibly short-sighted. It’s disgusting that the narrative is being rewritten into Remain v No Deal